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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pfortuny »

fastball wrote: post #664
phkahler wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt. That's another case of a product not doing its primary function - OS running apps - because company placed their own (data gathering) objective above it. See thermostats not turning on heat when the internet…

Pretty sure Apple is doing this for security reasons, not data gathering reasons.

Well, security starts with Availability.

Otherwise, my car is very secure when I never use it. Like, totally. Flying also has become very very much safer.

Edit: is/use/

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by AtlasLion »

areoform wrote: post #533
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Re colour accuracy, checkout thinkpads, they even come with a colour calibration sensor so you can have them autocalibrate daily/weekly or whatever suits you.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pfortuny »

eslaught wrote: post #562
cdubzzz wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I experienced the issue with Mojave while this was happening. So not just Catalina.

Ok, but this doesn't answer the question. If this is the same behavior since Mojave, why aren't those users complaining about this outage on their Mojave and Catalina based system? Presumably something changed, but so far I haven't heard an explanation that makes sense of it.

Because you do not notice until they f*ck up like this.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kome »

fastball wrote: post #664
phkahler wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt. That's another case of a product not doing its primary function - OS running apps - because company placed their own (data gathering) objective above it. See thermostats not turning on heat when the internet…

Pretty sure Apple is doing this for security reasons, not data gathering reasons.

Please. It's just data gathering. Security doesn't means giving away privacy.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pfortuny »

hk__2 wrote: post #291
pengaru wrote: post #31

Champions of privacy, phoning home a hash of every executable your computer runs!

> Champions of privacy, phoning home a hash of every executable your computer runs! What’s the matter with privacy? That’s a basic signature check, and you can do so while preserving privacy by using salted hashes or a similar solution.

They can perfectly do that without recurring to sending the hashes, using asymmetric cryptography.

But... this way the also gather some data.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pfortuny »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #38
DavideNL wrote: post #34

This is horrible. How can launching apps be depending on a cloud service being available...

> How can launching apps be depending on a cloud service being available... It's not, per se. The apps will launch if you block the specific subdomain, or turn off internet. The problem is if the computer thinks it can connect and keeps trying.

So, yes: they do depend on the local (to the user) availability of that service. So they depend on that.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jmnicolas »

sgtnoodle wrote: post #599
acomjean wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My partner bought a razer 13 inch to replace a MacBook Air. It wasn’t cheap, the build quality is excellent and it handles everything (she’s in an orchestra and records her parts on it, does graphic design and sometimes plays fortnite.). The screen is quite nice and the build quality is better than my system 76 (onyx pro) which I really like too. Dave2d on YouTube gives pretty short and decent laptop reviews. I think…

My 2017 razer stealth 13" has rather questionable build quality. * Once a month or so, the touchscreen flips out and starts registering dozens of random finger taps per second. There are tons of complaints on the internet, but Razer never acknowledged it as a known issue. * One of the long rubber pads on the bottom fell off after about a year and a half. * The USB-C power cord's insulation was frayed from day one. *…

I never bought a Razer product because every time I'm looking at one I see negative reviews about their reliability.

It boggles my mind how they can be so successful.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kmlx »

city41 wrote: post #561
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

I used to be a MacOS user from System 7 to Sierra. I owned an iPhone from 2007 until a few months ago. I have completely switched away from Apple. It absolutely boggles my mind how popular Apple still is. Apple's quality is absolute garbage now, this latest incident is just a drop in the bucket. I'm sure I'll get downvoted, but I just had to get this off my chest. Why people still buy Apple today, I positively can no…

best os, best hardware.

i really don’t get these kinds of comments.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mav3rick »

ls65536 wrote: post #564
pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. The other thing that really can't be discounted here is that a lot of the HN crowd are likely the default go-to people in their circle of family and friends for this sort of stuff, and in many cases they may also have major purchasing influence and technical decision making power in their respective businesses. Turning off one of them may be inconsequ…

God the self importance of this community. The world can live without the 1000 people here.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by reallydontask »

saxelsen wrote: post #662
pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

I would say that the current Microsoft Surface laptop/book has the same build quality feel as the Macbook line, but unfortunately you're stuck with Windows 10, which is a downgrade if you're used to MacOS.

Interestingly this also works in reverse, namely macOS is a downgrade if you are used to Windows 10.
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