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Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by oakesm9 »

nineplay wrote: post #686
AntiImperialist wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OR, - release it under a permissive license - wait until it reaches reaches a significant level of popularity for your purposes (see below) - flex it to get a good job at a good company - abandon the original project altogether or find new maintainers - focus on your new job, build skills and connections - invest most of your income in bonds and experiment with profitable side ventures which don't require much econom…

There's an article that makes the rounds now and again on HN about a engineer who wrote a widely used opensource tool and then didn't get past the Google interview process. FAANGs are still more interested in seeing if you can solve the Knapsack Problem then seeing that you can write good, maintainable code.

It was the developer behind the macOS package manager Homebrew https://twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768

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Post by Igelau »

spottybanana wrote: post #110
diordiderot wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making an ethical judgment based on religious text is a serious folly.

Personally I'm an atheist, but I still find this piece of religious text interesting. It tells us that this is as old problem as human civilization is. How do people share the work and the fruits of the labour?

> How do people share the work and the fruits of the labour?

Atheist now, but formerly not. This story isn't about that. See my other comment for the broader context it is contained in.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by jiofih »

treis wrote: post #589
jiofih wrote: post #572

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I meant you’re wrong about Redis. It was in a unique position for a long time, if you pulled it out there would be nothing to really replace it. RedisLabs does charge for redis (extensions, and support) and seems to be doing pretty damn well for the matter.

>meant you’re wrong about Redis. It was in a unique position for a long time, if you pulled it out there would be nothing to really replace it. You haven't really said where I was wrong. >RedisLabs does charge for redis (extensions, and support) and seems to be doing pretty damn well for the matter. Charging for extras is not the same thing as charging for the product.

Here:

> The problem with this is that Redis isn't used because it is particularly good. It's used because everyone else uses it.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by [deleted] »

nineplay wrote: post #686
AntiImperialist wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OR, - release it under a permissive license - wait until it reaches reaches a significant level of popularity for your purposes (see below) - flex it to get a good job at a good company - abandon the original project altogether or find new maintainers - focus on your new job, build skills and connections - invest most of your income in bonds and experiment with profitable side ventures which don't require much econom…

There's an article that makes the rounds now and again on HN about a engineer who wrote a widely used opensource tool and then didn't get past the Google interview process. FAANGs are still more interested in seeing if you can solve the Knapsack Problem then seeing that you can write good, maintainable code.

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Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by Igelau »

llaolleh wrote: post #97
diordiderot wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making an ethical judgment based on religious text is a serious folly.

Yeah but there are some timeless truths in many religious texts. This one seems to be applicable.

You can also mine out some awful stuff by plucking certain passages without the right context, and we have certainly seen hatred and violence justified that way through history.

This story is also missing the larger context that explains what it's really about -- and the answer isn't labor and wages.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by runawaybottle »

imhoguy wrote: post #689
runawaybottle wrote: post #571

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This is a interesting topic because it exposes one of the great sins developers commit - we don’t pay each other. I’m not talking about nickel and dimeing your fraternity, but there is certainly a reasonable price for a lot of these packages and plug-ins we install that can create financial autonomy for a lot of people via modest efforts.

On the other hand devs in corporation usualy have no spending budget. Going thru official management ask and procurement process is a real PITA. The last thing a dev wants is drowning in a red tape swamp. I do sometimes pay for software with my own cash. However that is mostly limited to personal productivity tools because I can't transfer licenses to the company.

It’ll have to be cultural shift. The same way you get free food and beer, or a budget to buy your own gear, we need to start allocating a no-nonsense dev budget to get licenses.

Of course, we’d have to create a marketplace that has modest price points. The marketplace isn’t supposed to be filled with enterprise grade Jira solutions that cost - I can’t even imagine what it costs.

I’m not above paying a few bucks for all these things that I’ve used in my project if it was as seamless as npm install. But it’s not. Some take donations, some take bitcoin, some have a enterprise version with their own payment portal, some require you to call their sales staff, etc. There is a ton of friction here.

For these things to become profitable means we as developers have more places to generate income, it’s a win win.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by heavyset_go »

schmappel wrote: post #470
ratww wrote: post #323

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This is terrible. All the news are based on speculation, but they plastered his very-Googlable-name everywhere, only making it harder for him to get a job now. I honestly can't see anything positive about those articles existing before there's a proper court case.

I never understood the need to name suspects - address and all - in this country. In my home country suspects that are (or are about to be) charged and convicted with a crime have their last name abbreviated (e.g. Paul S.), which seems completely reasonable to me. You're innocent until proven guilty, for one. But even if you're guilty and convicted, your punishment should be limited to whatever the judge rules it sho…

It's about retribution and the idea that lawyers can influence the justice system and let "bad guys" go free. A lot of the states with lax laws around naming people accused of crimes are the same ones still dishing out the death penalty.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by nineplay »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #505
Fordec wrote: post #52

I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Years ago software was fully build on the backs of a multitude of giants within their niche domain. But for a while now large companies have been adopting a model of taking from open source contributions and raking in billions. The original social bargain of "pay it on" has been broken by the Bezos of the world raking in billions. And yes, as o…

> I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Open source is a niche. The vast majority of developers don’t participate in open source. If they do, it’s simple bug fixes that they need for their paid jobs. The number of people creating and releasing significant open source projects is vanishingly small relative to the entire pool of developers. I think it was a mistake to tell entry-leve…

I have seen hiring manager on this site say they wouldn't hire anyone without opensource experience. Sometimes they say something wishy-washy about how contributing to open source is such a specialized skill that they don't have the bandwidth to train someone new. At other times they are more willing to blatantly admit that they just want someone who's capable of spending all their free time writing code.

I tend to wonder about the legality of it all. Since when did judging candidates on what they do off-the-clock become acceptable? To make it easier, if I don't have time to do open source because I am heavily involved in my religion, does that start to toe the line of acceptable work qualifications.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by harlanji »

jgilias wrote: post #163

So you've made something cool and it's time to release it. These seem to be the options at hand: 1. Release under a permissive license (MIT, BSD) and: - Have everyone and their grandma use it. - Die poor 2. Release under a copyleft license (GPL) and: - No company is going to use or contribute to it, unless they can somehow clearly separate it from what they see as their intellectual property. Or just hide it where no…

I see some open source authors having success with Patreon. I’ve been trying off and on since 2017, I think what I’ve lacked is production quality and consistent updates. Getting crowd funding is a job ontop of just developping, no doubt.
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