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Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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> We're seeing this right now with Epic's Tim Sweeney suing Apple for its mandatory cut on all digital goods. I hope Epic wins this case against Apple. It's amazing how everyone who brings that up avoids this question: Does Epic allow anyone to create and and sell content for Fortnite, without giving Epic any money? Do Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo allow other stores on their consoles?

> Do Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo allow other stores on their consoles? Good idea, let's make that a requirement too. The law could be something like "if you sell a general purpose computing device, you're not allowed to mandate software vendor lockin". That would open up so many possibilities, it would be great for the people who own consoles.

What about > Does Epic allow players to buy Fortnite content from outside of Fortnite, without giving Epic any money?

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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Can you not just not connect it to the network?

I hear that some smart TVs will seek out open Wifi networks and connect to them to get updates. So now your neighbours can (probably unknowingly) connect your smart TV to the internet for you.

You hear that they do, or that they could?

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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You need internet to download games to your oculus quest, so it makes sense to have an account to keep track of what games you own no? I still don't understand what people have against this change. You needed an oculus account prior to this, now it's a facebook account, what's the big deal?

Really? I have never and will never have a facebook account, so this expensive device is now a paper weight..

> now

January 2023

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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You'll be downvoted because HN etiquette not because people necessarily disagree with your sentiment

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Doesn't seem like much of a 'friend' if the conversation made its way to the internet

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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Well this is horrifying. I bought a Quest for a relative. He loves it, but he doesn't have a Facebook account, and has no interest in signing up. I have a Facebook account, but I don't use it, and I certainly don't want to connect my Oculus account. I guess we'll both have to sell our Quests. That means we'll lose all of our game purchases. I came to Oculus with eyes wide open knowing it was a Facebook company, but t…

How hard is it to create a facebook account?

It's literally impossible, in case you haven't tried recently.

If you don't want to send them a government issued photo ID, you can make a new account that lasts 10 minutes and then is locked on you and holds any accounts linked to it hostage as you can't sign in.

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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is it such a big deal to create a fb account though? Can't you just use a fake name if you don't care about having a fb account?

In short, no. Facebook has gotten very good at catching and deleting "fake" accounts. Back in the day, I worked on an application that used Facebook's Graph API and I needed to create some bogus accounts for testing, but they were consistently blocked within days. Using some combination of behaviour analysis, flagging new and/or cookie-less browsers, and (I suspect) human review FB have gone to great lengths to try a…

> Using some combination of behaviour analysis, flagging new and/or cookie-less browsers, and (I suspect) human review FB have gone to great lengths to try and assure their customers that all humans have one and only one account under their true legal name and biographical details.

They're not very good at that. A pretty big chunk of people I have as friends have fake names, some of them even after me reporting their names for being fake.

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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Good luck enforcing GDPR against any of the malign actors you should most wish to enforce GDPR against

Facebook and everything associated with it is doing everything they can to be and remain GDPR compliant. Facebook has already been fined under the GDPR so it looks like that enforcement is working.

I Googled around, and I cannot find any significant fines Facebook has faced for violating GDPR. The enforcement tracker you yourself linked (https://www.enforcementtracker.com/) only has one irrelevant entry for Facebook, and this feed (http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/GDPR-2020-Where-C...) which was last updated just this August says litigation is pending.

If you have any sources for this fine, please post them.

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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I'm absolving Palmer of making a promise he couldn't keep because of Facebook. Palmer is correct here and shouldn't be getting the blowback that he is. Obviously Facebook can do what they want within the terms.

I don't know Palmer and until 5 minutes didn't know his name. I don't dislike him, I'm sure he's a nice guy and great person, and I think the product and achievement is impressive. But: I respect him for eating humble pie now. I absolutely do not respect yet alone absolve him of not doing so originally . Why would one? There's nothing NEW that came to the table: Facebook can do what they want now, and crucially that…

> I'm sure he's a nice guy and great person

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/19/15366500/palmer-luckey-tr...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/how-your-oculus-...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/palmer-luckey-aundur...

Does that change your opinion?

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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Good luck enforcing GDPR against any of the malign actors you should most wish to enforce GDPR against

Facebook and everything associated with it is doing everything they can to be and remain GDPR compliant. Facebook has already been fined under the GDPR so it looks like that enforcement is working.

I split my comment into two parts, since this one is more my personal opinion, and I don't want it to colour an otherwise straightforward request for sources.

From noyb's fight against Facebook (https://noyb.eu/en/open-letter), to me it is very clear that Facebook does not intend to comply with GDPR. They are actively trying to find loopholes, and according to noyd, also working with the Irish DPO to find and exploit loopholes. It is also worth noting that the total fines Google has faced from GDPR enforcement come to just under EUR 58 Mn (http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/GDPR-2020-Where-C...). 58 Mn is chump change compared to Google's total revenue, and unless the threat of the full 4% turnover fine becomes credible, I doubt it will lead to any better action.

Re: Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices

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This is something that still completely baffles me about the "IoT"/"smart devices"/"connected devices"/"whatever you want to call it" space. If someone advertised a device as capable of doing X without it in fact being able to do X, they'd be liable for false advertising. If someone sold you a device, then took it back or destroyed it, they'd be liable for theft or destruction of property. Nevertheless, if someone se…

Nah, this is how laws are made. Someone keeps pushing the limits of what they can do to other people, then enough people have enough of it and push back, companies are fined, legislation is created, bs stops happening for a while. Same shit, different day (at least until we change the shit out of the climate/environment, heh).
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