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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by guuguuguu » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #608

throwaway894345 wrote: post #575

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Come on. China’s communist regime killed tens of millions of its own people within living memory. It presently commits egregious human rights abuses against its Uighur Muslim population. It prohibits its citizens from accessing media which might possibly negatively portray The Party. Banning TikTok may be a bad idea and the US certainly has its own troubled history, but this executive order isn’t “hypocrisy” and it c…

> China’s communist regime Fascist more than communist: it's military-heavy, nationalist, authoritarian and corporatist but with notionally private enterprise rather than simply overt government industries, all of which are typical of fascism (a few overlap with features of Leninst-style Communism, but neither nationalism nor, particularly, private-but-corporatist industry fit that model.) It's not particularly aggre…

that sounds like a little bit of all

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by chillacy » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:05 PM UTC

philliphaydon wrote: post #689

chillacy wrote: post #682

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Afaik they still have it, but it isn't used to blast propaganda anymore (just play music for tourists). I haven't found any more recent news articles saying it was removed or taken down, and wikipedia doesn't mention its removal.

It literally says in the first article you posted: > until it was taken off duty in the 1970s Followed later by: > Kinmen stopped using the speakers for such things sometime in the 1970s, opting instead to occasionally play the songs of the Taiwanese pop star Teresa Teng, at moderate volume, for the benefit of tourists. Taiwan ended martial law in 1987, it's been a democracy ever since. They don't spread propaganda,…

Ah I was confused because your suggestion of "Taiwain had" implies that they no longer have it, whereas they do have it but no longer use it. So technically this should be the sentence:

> Also, Taiwan has a huge speaker array pointed at mainland china which [used to blast] propaganda

Thanks for pointing that out.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by guykdm » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:53 AM UTC

wmhorne wrote: post #526

guykdm wrote: post #517

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In many ways the American left is more authoritarian than Trump. It's not black and white, not Trump, nor the Chinese App.

> In many ways... Can you list some?

It seems obvious. Much more support for silencing debate and opposing opinions. Regulation. Enforcing liberal values, such as forbidding discrimination on grounds that are important to them. ext.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by JanSt » Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #685

allendoerfer wrote: post #428

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> I consider it much more questionable to exert power over allied countries to stop extraterritorial infrastructure projects (i.e. Nordstream 2) Nordstream 2 is a great example. Sanctioning a country that was literally the wall between you and the East is such an extremely stupid move. Just confirms Merkels sentence: "Europe can not rely on the US any longer". German here and I have to, say: You lost me there, buddy.…

Yet German politicians still want US troops to stay in Germany for "Russia Protection" - while never meeting their NATO promised GDP contribution of 2% in the last 5 years.

The 2% is a guideline and is meant to be reached in 2024 (!), but it‘s no obligation. Don‘t believe everything Trump spits out. The US has a huge military interest to station troops in Europe and most people in Germany would like them to withdraw their nuclear bombs.