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Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by AdrianB1 »

blattimwind wrote: post #510
redis_mlc wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's OK to look at a screen for 10 seconds Not really. Pilots are supposed to be visually looking for traffic 90% of the time, and the rest scanning instruments. So to be heads-down for 10 seconds, the non-flying pilot would have to arrange that with the flying pilot.

I think what GP is trying to say is that because your average airlines has around 10+ km of altitude to loose before rapid disassembly commences, which takes a non-trivial amoun of time, compared to a car, which can go on a short and unintentional offroad trip within a few seconds or less.

No, you don't. you can fly over high mountains, having a lot less distance between the plane and the terrain, but how you lose altitude is more important: just a single km drop can be unrecoverable if exceeding VNE and losing a wing in the process.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by mihaaly »

hnarn wrote: post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

"The US Navy will replace its touchscreen controls with mechanical ones on its destroyers

After a deadly 2017 crash between a destroyer and an oil tanker"

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john...

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by mihaaly »

CivBase wrote: post #162
hnarn wrote: post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

I work for an avionics manufacturer and I can assure you most of our upcoming comercial systems (and even a healthy portion of government ones) feature touch screen inputs.

I hope this is known to the manufacturer:

"The US Navy will replace its touchscreen controls with mechanical ones on its destroyers

After a deadly 2017 crash between a destroyer and an oil tanker"

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john...

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by leokennis »

samizdis wrote: post #8

Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.

I drive a 2010 Honda Jazz (Honda Fit in the US I believe) and I love it.

Not only does it indeed have buttons, but good buttons as well. Clicky where needed, rubbery where appropriate, with the righ amount of resistance etc.

Just like the iPhone always has the nicest buttons of any phone. It's a little thing that makes using it a pleasure.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by mihaaly »

Wistar wrote: post #403
samizdis wrote: post #8

Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.

This past January, I rented an Audi Q7. It was brand new and had the Audi Virtual Cockpit which took me a full two days to grasp to the point where I could use it safely and required me to pull over several times to figure something out. Worse, the rental agency had removed the owner's manuals so I was without reference. One of the goofiest things was that the navigation moving map would mysteriously stop moving--all…

Modern time developments: high tech high pace revolution for powerful and automated delivery of making the user miserable.

Showing off without sense, basically.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by mihaaly »

throwanem wrote: post #17
samizdis wrote: post #8

Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.

My car has onboard voice controls, but, unlike Siri via the car's audio system, they suck. Recognition is slow and unreliable enough that I never bother, and if I did, the cognitive overhead would be unacceptably high anyway. They'd have done better not to bother implementing them at all and instead just offload that work to the driver's paired smartphone, which for a sedan that listed $32k new, it's very reasonable…

Voice command is unreliable.

Even human to human level, every safety critical application rely on voice commands has to implement very rigid and strong standards and rules on human speech.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by mihaaly »

izacus wrote: post #289
jetrink wrote: post #15

I will never understand how this trend started in the first place. If you look at e.g. digital cameras, they all have touch screens these days, but they also still have buttons and dials everywhere. The one in front of me has eight physical buttons, seven dials and a power switch. The reason is obvious: when you're taking photos, you don't want to be looking down at a screen; you want to be focused on the task at han…

They make cars significantly cheaper to produce - both in terms of parts and construction time. Evey button you lose is a button you don't have source and install when building the car. There's less wiring, less replacement parts to stock. It's a win in all kinds of situations for the manufacturer. It's no coincidence that the company with most manufacturing issues - Tesla - also went with completely touchscreen base…

If this reason is true then it has the very characteristic stink of reckless endangerment....

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Post by blaser-waffle »

Good. There is no way to use a touchscreen effectively while going 80km/h.

It would have to be the smartest touch screen ever, and be able to make assumptions as to what i'm trying to press -- fudge a lot of precision -- and even then I wouldn't know if what I'm touching and what the machine thinks I'm touching are correct without taking my eyes off the road. Meanwhile, I can feel for the 3rd knob or 3rd button and be sure what it is without taking my eyeballs off of the bumper of the car in front of me.

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