Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

Post by belorn » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 1:24 AM UTC

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“Come out and we will tell you what you’re guilty of”. The US was once a great defender of liberty and democrac, but when you talk to its average citizen nowaday you start to get truely weimarian vibes.

His actions are entirely undemocratic. Sweden and the US have both democratically built a system of justice that we all agree to subject ourselves to. He decided to evade that system to serve his own self-interest. What about defending the liberty of the alleged rape victim? Do they only have the right to their day in court if the accused is ok with it?

Post by belorn » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 1:27 AM UTC

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Another take, with no more or less evidence as far as I can tell: He essentially had no choice, as it was obvious he was going to be railroaded at any trial, and would likely be bounced to the US at some point.

This was far from "obvious". Extradition from Sweden would have been harder than from the UK.

Post by blattimwind » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 1:54 AM UTC

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The US justice system is possibly the most cruel justice system in the West, and by quite a margin, too. It is one of a few aspects in which the US is far closer to today's developing and third world countries than to the Western average. Also over many decades many organizations have called out the conditions in parts of the US justice system as torture(-like).

> The US justice system is possibly the most cruel justice system in the West, and by quite a margin, too. Many of the world's most dangerous countries and most brutal justice systems are in Latin America. The US looks bad from a northern European perspective, but it's far from the worst in the West.

Post by pnako » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 2:06 AM UTC

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It's not a 1% chance. Even if one accepts your definition of torture, people who aren't criminals are very rarely caught up in the system at all. So it's far less than 1% as long as you're simply not a criminal. If the US were really so bad, people would leave. The people who do leave typically leave for tax purposes opposite to your belief.

I've had US police pull guns on me several times, thrown to the ground have been arrested and jailed overnight, despite not having committed a crime on any of the occasions. My transgression in each case was to have not learnt the submission rituals that American police expect, the whole stay in your car with you hands on the wheel, the yes sir, yes mam. One of these times was on a late night Santa Cruz to SF drive,…

Post by erikpukinskis » Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 2:10 AM UTC

spodek wrote: post #528

> Ms Persson said: "I would like to emphasise that the injured party has submitted a credible and reliable version of events. > "Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed; however, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation." Did Ms Persson also clarify that a lack of evidence suggests…