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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by drakenot »

fhood wrote: post #615
EnderMB wrote: post #531

While it's nice to see an opinionated company like Apple admit fault and revert to what people want, I wonder if this move is too late for many of those that decided to move away from Apple? Years ago, I switched to a Surface Book, and while I'm tempted to go back for this MBP I reckon that a Surface Book update would be enough to kill any desire for the Mac range. While Apple stagnated, many of the high-end manufact…

MacOS. These points have been made a million times, but I'll make them again. Windows is fine for day to day casual use, but the moment you attempt to peek under the hood you encounter a hostile and alien landscape. Linux is usually consistent, well organized, and highly configurable when you are under the hood, but is a pain in the ass for day to day use. Edit: Illustrator and Photoshop still aren't available for Li…

I switched from MacOS to Linux for my personal computer.

I find I enjoy my Linux laptop a lot (the i3 Window Manager is amazing). However, there are two things I really miss from MacOS: iMessage and AirDrop.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dlannoye »

markus_zhang wrote: post #685
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

I have a question for you Mac users. Assuming that you don't treat the machine badly, no extra care (e.g. never open up to do maintenance), and have to carry it around half of the time. How long do you think a Macbook would last in average? For the Lenovo I'm using I'd say about 5 years because I break things so easily...it's reaching retirement.

I am using a 7 year old 2012 Retina MacBook Pro, it even got the update for Catalina. My wife is using an even older 11 year old 13" MacBook.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by esmi »

input_sh wrote: post #168
dvcrn wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the Touch Bar a lot. Not having esc was the only gripe I had with it but I personally much prefer the multifunctional bar over some static f keys

I'm curious, do you usually blind type? If so, what advantage does it bring to you to look down on your keys? Also, in an optimal seating position (elbows at 90 degrees), do your fingers obscure the visibility of the touch bar?

Also not parent.

I do blind type but I love the Touch Bar. There are many CAD programs that I use approximately monthly and I can never remember which F keys does what exactly. In my office I have cheat sheets on the wall but when out of office having icons makes using those applications much better.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by m0xte »

markus_zhang wrote: post #685
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

I have a question for you Mac users. Assuming that you don't treat the machine badly, no extra care (e.g. never open up to do maintenance), and have to carry it around half of the time. How long do you think a Macbook would last in average? For the Lenovo I'm using I'd say about 5 years because I break things so easily...it's reaching retirement.

They are fragile as fuck. Literally I dropped one three inches onto the carpet and the screen went pop. Also it slowly bent over time in my bag.

This replaced a 2010 MBP which caught fire after I spilled a drink next to it. The case sucks spilled liquids up like a straw!

I use a T470 thinkpad now. It cost less than a replacement screen for a 15” rMBP did! I have literally beaten the shit out of it for months and it just shrugs it off. I also had a T440 which was abused heavily and shrugged it off.

I had an X220 I poured a coffee in and nothing interesting happened too.

Stay with the thinkpads if you’re an idiot like me.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dpkonofa »

stetrain wrote: post #391
Reason077 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys." The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, t…

But when not looking at the keyboard, having full height left and right arrow keys makes them feel just like the nearby Option and ? keys. Having a distinct arrow-key-group shape makes them easier to locate by touch.

You can't feel the break in between the up/down arrow keys by touch?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by chx »

dijit wrote: post #600
chx wrote: post #486

Is anyone else wondering about that 8TB SSD bit? Unless they have four M.2 slots which I doubt they must use 4TB SSDs and that'd be QLC which sucks.

They don’t do slots. They’ll be soldered onto the board directly, straight into the T2 chip via PCI-E. Doesnt speak to the quality of the NAND, probably 3D/QLC though. For density.

Yeah, I forgot, of course. In that case, who knows, there are 22110 enterprise 4TB SSDs using MLC even -- maybe they have enough space on the board for MLC or TLC. We will know when iFixit tears one down :)

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by graywh »

rahoulb wrote: post #277
dashwav wrote: post #61

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The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.

I started using Ctrl-C instead of Escape in Vim years ago (long before the Touchbar) as it means I don't have to move my hands from the home position.

ctrl-c is a poor substitute for several reasons

1. it cancels any modifiers on the insert command

2. it won't trigger any abbreviations

3. it doesn't work with visual-block insert

4. it bypasses InsertLeave autocommands

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by beefalo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #463
blhack wrote: post #373

It's hilarious to me that their own marketing image has two dongles plugged into the laptop so that the user can still use USB. Apple please for the love of usability: please give me back USB. I AM the pro that you want to feature in every one of your marketing videos. I have a music studio in my house, I build interactive lighting installations for the biggest music festivals in the world, I build custom hardware co…

I take it you mean specifically USB-A? I can understand that, but I think I'd be satisfied if they would just put more than four USB-C ports on the thing. That should be the upside of a smaller USB connector, give me a dozen ports since dang near everything uses USB these days.

I think they are limited to 4 by available PCIe lanes since they are thunderbolt ports. It would a a confusing mess if they added more ports but only gave them USB 3.1 capability

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jonplackett »

peruvian wrote: post #578
jonplackett wrote: post #518

Finally a 1TB SSD is not eye-wateringly expensive. Even the base model is 512.

Kinda wish it was $200 more for 32GB of RAM instead of $400 - my only complaint.

Yeah agreed. I have 16GB in the MacBook Pro I bought back in 2013. Surely in 6 years a doubling of ram should not be too much to ask without breaking the bank.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by duderific »

GloriousKoji wrote: post #654
daveheq wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How 'bout a full-size up and down key? I use those all the time and those scrunched keys are easy to make mistakes on.

The touch pad is ridiculously huge now, going by my greasy finger smears I maybe use only 50% of the total area. They could easy sacrifice some of that real estate to put the touchbar as row above the function keys and feature a full size set of offset arrow keys.

Agree, I often end up brushing the touch pad accidentally with the heel of my hand while typing, and inadvertently moving the cursor somewhere up the page. Maybe someone else can weigh in on any advantages to having such a large touch pad.
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