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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

I think it is completely absurd to expect every content creator, with their diverse talents, to all _also_ posses the expertise needed to host their own content. Reminds me of the Dropbox launch thread here on HN a decade ago where some sysadmin chimes in with "but this is so easy for the layman to do themselves with FTP and [other technologies laypeople have never heard of]" (not an actual quote).

If the law were structured to make Dropbox illegal, then that particular neckbeard's observation would have been much more insightful. It seems likely that individual users are going to have to "get technical" in response to creeping authoritarianism from the EU and other powerful, unaccountable actors.

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> The requirements aren't set out in detail, and will largely be fleshed out by the courts. This is where the reality of Art. 13 will be set - in the rulings which follow. But that's part of the problem. It means a service you operate today is subject to a law that will be decided on tomorrow. So you either make the conservative choice, which is onerously expensive and may put you out of business immediately, or you…

>But that's part of the problem. No, it isn't. Tech changes rapidly, and legislation quite simply isn't going to be able to encode a specific contextual mutating standard. Law isn't wrong to offload that analysis to an institution that is in the thick of it, with access to expert testimony and amicus information to inform it. You WANT the EFF and other advocates being able to weigh in on how the balancing factors sho…

> Tech changes rapidly, and legislation quite simply isn't going to be able to encode a specific contextual mutating standard. Law isn't wrong to offload that analysis to an institution that is in the thick of it, with access to expert testimony and amicus information to inform it. You WANT the EFF and other advocates being able to weigh in on how the balancing factors should work and you want the courts to listen.

That is separate from the problem that the "new law" created by the court is being imposed ex post facto on actions you've already taken.

It means you don't know what the law actually is yet when you're trying to comply with it. That kind of uncertainty leads people to make overly conservative choices that make beneficial projects uneconomical, or just causes them to give up because it's not worth investing years of your life in something you don't know the courts won't unexpectedly blow apart.

And if you want someone to take input from the EFF et al then why should we wait until it's already in court instead of doing that in the legislature before passing a bad law to begin with?

> Yes, and then 95% of those go back down to pre-spike levels of interest.

But the fact that they did have a million users for twelve months may get them hauled into court.

> If they's the odd exception which has a massive sustained uptick for their service which promoted copyright protected works, now they can think about licensing and formalizing their processes to protect all stakeholders now that they're a success.

Again, you're assuming that success comes with popularity. If you're losing money on every user you can't make it up on volume.

There are projects operated by individuals with a large number of users that operate at a net loss. If you say to those people that they have to implement Content ID because they have too many users, those projects are dead.

And the projects that actually are successful would have high revenue, so the only projects ensnared by a user count limit but not a revenue limit are the ones that are barely making it as it is.

> Courts do not afford less due process to larger penalties. The cost is in the complexity; who owns the rights, what did they know about their claim, how easy was the mistake to make, etc. Proving this to a court that has no starting knowledge of what's going on requires money to compile information, prepare briefs, etc.

Yes, exactly, so if that process is used then the penalty would need to be sufficient to justify the victim in going through that process.

But now let me ask you this. How is it that we're willing to impose a prior restraint without going through that process but not a penalty for false claims?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

I think it is completely absurd to expect every content creator, with their diverse talents, to all _also_ posses the expertise needed to host their own content. Reminds me of the Dropbox launch thread here on HN a decade ago where some sysadmin chimes in with "but this is so easy for the layman to do themselves with FTP and [other technologies laypeople have never heard of]" (not an actual quote).

But does it really have to be that difficult? It's absolutely possible to build a system where you can deploy a docker container with a single click and host your own content on that. Add federation into the mix, and you'll get some kind of meta-Youtube or -Bandcamp, comprised of thousands of individual instances, which do not even need to be on the same hosting service.

The blogosphere was similar to that, before everyone gave up and went to Facebook.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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> The media is usually biased towards left-wing ideology, with a globalist spin. Since Macron embodies both those ideals, it's easy to see why he gets helped by the media. Ahahah, the good joke. Most medias, everywhere world-wide are owned by billionars and follow the media-line of their owner. These guys are of course, conservative, right side, sometimes liberal .... but definitively not "left". Qualifying guys like…

> Ahahah, the good joke. Mmm... Can you explain the media in the US are so much against Trump--with the majority of journalists still pushing for fake news about Russian bots and government intervention even after official investigations are closed, and with some of them even crying live when the Muller investigation conclusions came out? Or, can you explain why most major news outlets in the States are categorized a…

If you genuinely care about what's true or not, look up the largest newspapers by circulation for a couple of European countries. I've only done it for Germany and the UK; in both cases the market is dominated by conservative publications, particularly right wing tabloids.

Purely on that basis, the media as consumed has a bias for being conservative and also pretty dumb (as tabloids tend to be).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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That suggests further splitting up the UK would also improve the political situation; do you support such a proposal?

Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolved_English_parliament

That's not exactly spliting up the UK.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

Torify all the things. Let them legislate over a graveyard.

Even better: upload to a blockchain. Let them try to get it out of the bitcoin blockchain :-P

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

This whole stupidity started when google refused to pay european newspapers for their articles showing up in google news.

Google could have stopped all this be immediately kicking off all european newspapers from every google service they have and reinstating them only after they fill out and submit the form that they allow google to use their stuff without any pay.

Instead google only threatened to do this and european newspapers thought they have some power.

The only power they have is making and breaking european politicians, hence current mess.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Julia Reda has posted the raw data: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot... It should be available on the site of the european parliament as well.

Thanks, I just found it too on the EP website, however without the explanation of the votes and buried in the middle of a 300 page word document. Isn't it nice that the people deciding about the future of internet are doing that by passing around word documents like it's 2001? I wonder how many people here can imagine a more readable presentation of such data...

Even rappers realize this.

To quote J-Cole's BRACKETS

I'll write a check to the IRS, my pockets get slim

Damn, do I even have a say 'bout where it's goin'?

Some older nigga told me to start votin'

I said "Democracy is too fuckin' slow"

If I'm givin' y'all this hard-earned bread, I wanna know

Better yet, let me decide, bitch, it's 2018

Let me pick the things I'm funding from an app on my screen

Better that than letting wack congressman I've never seen

Dictate where my money go, straight into the palms of some

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Just have a look at what was passed today: > Article 17/9: Where rightholders request to have access to their specific works or other subject matter disabled or those works or other subject matter removed, they shall duly justify the reasons for their requests. Complaints submitted under the mechanism provided for in the first subparagraph shall be processed without undue delay, and decisions to disable access to or…

The problem is the balance of power in this equation. You call your lawyer and ask them to sue (as an example) Google. I expect the response would be something to the effect of "are you mad, rich or both? Because this is going to take a long time and be very expensive."

So you are basically saying that Google stands above the law? Well, I think the copyright reform should be your smallest problem.
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