I'm skeptical this applies to someone coming onto your property (let alone coming with malicious intent). Do trespassers have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I was referring to the parts of the video where they brought the device into their car or home. This was obviously designed to continue recording the thieves in those private places. It just seems like a bad idea to me.
Do you have an expectation of privacy from a device you stole? Of which you don’t know the contents of?
This needs careful consideration if you ever decide to do it. Depending on the local criminal culture they could exact revenge. Then also know where you live and can do a lot worse things than taking a package. Police might later be involved but it might not be worth it. You are dealing with people who have no qualms stealing so it's not too crazy to expect other rash and illegal acts from them. I can also see some i…
> You are dealing with people who have no qualms stealing, it's not too crazy to expect other rash and illegal acts from them. In more then one instance the thief opened the package at their house. So its fair to say he knows where they live too. Also, very clear HD video of their faces and vehicles. And there is no way all the glitter is going to get cleaned up - so more evidence of who they are. And home security c…
How long until we hear of a person who included a gps unit in their bait package, but instead of taking it to the police, went to the person's house with a gun. The police would get involved at that point, though I wonder if it would be hard for them to find the perpetrator since there wouldn't be any obvious link between the two individuals if they didn't know about the gps bait package.
I just told this story on HN, but my car window was smashed on 10/13/18 and the theives got my wallet and house keys. They used my credit card at foot locker (~$500), The Store Manager confirmed two guys made the purchase and corporate said they would turn over the video if police just ask. A month later the bank fraud dept informed me someone was trying to cash a fake check ($1,600) against my account at an ATM usin…
Not that it would have helped in your case, but we've had porch pirates in my neighborhood. We had a recent one steal some packages. I found out about it on Nextdoor. I wasn't affected by it (I have my packages delivered to my work), but I watched the thread with interest. The neighbors had cameras - they got good pictures of the vehicle, the woman who stole the packages, etc. Multiple neighbors did this, coordinatin…
That’s fantastic. My very rough ideas are definitely more along the lines of identification and not vigilanteeism...However I am with you 100% and am pro glitter bomb.
The thieves are the ones bringing the camera into their privacy zone, not the person who made the package. The thief, in committing the theft, explicitly consented to taking an unknown item into their possession.
But the person who built the device did so with the intention of recording people in private spaces. The person committing the theft did not explicitly consent to being recorded in a private space. They are still being recorded unknowingly by a device designed to do that. What I'm saying is; the thief broke a law but the person making the recordings could have also broken laws as well. Two wrongs don't make a right,…
My brothers friend was sued for medical expenses by a perp who broke something falling over toys the kid hadn't packed away. More than a decade ago, but it does confirm your understanding of the situation.
This needs careful consideration if you ever decide to do it. Depending on the local criminal culture they could exact revenge. Then also know where you live and can do a lot worse things than taking a package. Police might later be involved but it might not be worth it. You are dealing with people who have no qualms stealing so it's not too crazy to expect other rash and illegal acts from them. I can also see some i…
now that the video has gone viral, this guy is potentially in big trouble. booby traps are illegal per se. and if someone claims latent injury (eg glitter in tear duct) ... watch out. he has also inspired people to make their own booby traps.
There seems to be a principle around that but it applies only to children and trespassing, not adults and theft.
> I don't want the police to be able to perform accurate facial recognition at the kind of scale you're talking about Amazon is helping cities and counties implement Rekognition systems fairly cheap with cameras tied to criminal databases. It's happening. They've done it in Washington County, OR, Orlando, FL, and others [1]. Amazon is also teaming up with law enforcement to install Ring doorbells with cameras (Amazon…
This is weird. I live in Washington County Oregon. There are stories everyday on nextdoor.com from neighbors trying to get the Sheriff's office to look at their surveillance video of crimes being committed, but the police aren't interested. They usually post the video clips on nextdoor and these aren't grainy videos but super clear recordings that should make it easy to identify the perpetrators if they really are us…
A surveillance panopticon isn't going to make package theft any more of a priority than it is now; the issue isn't an evidence one but a priorities one, and more evidence doesn't change this.
>What happens next? Well let me tell you of another event that occurred to me in 08/17. I was kidnapped at gunpoint from a gas station, forced to drive my attacker with a gun on my for 30 minutes, eventually after getting off the highway I jumped out of my own car in gear, escaped and called the police. First words out of the sergeants mouth responding, “cut the shit what really happened.” Despite my insistence I’m a…
Jesus this reads like it's from some super corrupt 3rd country, not the US.
It is interesting to note the various demographics: black/white, male/female, older/younger, etc. There doesn't seem to be any pattern (other than being unethical jerks) as to who steals packages.
I just told this story on HN, but my car window was smashed on 10/13/18 and the theives got my wallet and house keys. They used my credit card at foot locker (~$500), The Store Manager confirmed two guys made the purchase and corporate said they would turn over the video if police just ask. A month later the bank fraud dept informed me someone was trying to cash a fake check ($1,600) against my account at an ATM usin…
there needs to be a platform to post these videos for the public to crowdsource the identity of these people. And then what? Will the platform also have a portal that will let people en masse vex the local PD with messages containing links to the video until the precinct assigns an officer to the case? What happens next? Is there going to be a timer or some kind of SLA on the platform that notifies people in the crow…
You mean like when we crowdsourced the identity of the Boston Marathon bomber?
Because it's all well and good when the crowd gets it right and the lynch mob goes to town on the bad guy. But the issue is when that mob gets turned on the wrong guy. The internet has a long memory and seldom admits when it is wrong. "Bob Jerry is the Boston Marathon bomber" sticks around much longer than "Whoops, our bad, Bob Jerry is just some dude"