I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back • Hacker News Board

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by brokenmachine » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 5:03 AM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #688

SilasX wrote: post #583

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And speaking of latency, technology has broken in another respect here: rhythm games. If I play Dance Dance Revolution from a PS2 on a flatscreen, they add so much lag that the visuals are unusable, even in video game mode. Others have told me they have the same problem even on games for newer consoles intended to played on such TVs. So I end up needing to find a CRT to play them. I also saw this on the Nintendo Wii…

Audio and display lag in rhythm video games is a 100% solvable problem provided: 1. The amount of lag is consistent (check, as long as you're not using Bluetooth) 2. The game is not key-sounded (pass for DDR) 3. You know how much lag there is. Since rhythm games are deterministic, you can just offset the visuals and audio output to compensate for the delay. Keysounded games are imperfect, but it's rarely an issue unl…

Interesting.

You'd think HDMI would be able to use ARC to send a signal back, since the TV would know the exact moment it is displaying the image.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by PavlovsCat » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 5:44 AM UTC

fyfy18 wrote: post #351

PavlovsCat wrote: post #115

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Well, I don't like the pushiness of it. Just take how this story dropped off the front page like a brick. If someone slapped me on the butt or head and said "hey there, you look like you really want some nice ice cream", even if I actually were up for ice cream, I would lose my currently existing appetite for ice cream until the memory of that creep has faded. It doesn't matter if someone else accepts being treated t…

> Well, to me that is entirely backwards. Customers are looking for something, but are denied that thing because companies have other "visions" for them I don't think that is really fair. If I really needed a headphone jack, I could have got a new phone with one, but one of my requirements which was more important than a headphone jack was price, so it was a trade off I was happy to make. Maybe if you want to stay in…

I wasn't speaking of just Apple though, that desire to "lock in" is very common. It took actual regulation in the EU get get unified charging cables. Customers should be ahead of regulation in protecting their own interests.

> You could argue it is wrong, but from a financial perspective it is most definitely working

By that point you're arguing squarely on behalf of the bank account of the company, the customer is completely removed. They are just someone who "should be willing to follow whatever they decide is best", even if it's just best for the company profits, which in the case of Apple they kinda hoard.

> many people are still willing to support them

If that makes my opinion invalid, by the same token my opinion makes theirs invalid. Since I have my opinion, the fact that people assume the position as a helpless consumer, rather than a equal in a fair transaction, be it with Apple or others, is the problem, not the solution.

> (For me this post is still #6 on the front page)

Yes, that was shortly after my comment, but before that it dropped really quickly, down to page 3.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by brokenmachine » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 5:47 AM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #521

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #375

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> Or an overweight person, for that matter. How about smokers, while we're at it?

Smokers look just like non-smokers, unless currently smoking.

Pity about the smell.

Anecdotally often it's pretty obvious who the smokers are from skin/complexion/teeth.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by jamesrcole » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 5:48 AM UTC

Mankrik wrote: post #398

jamesrcole wrote: post #106

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It does answer it: as I said, it forces quicker uptake of wireless, and thus quicker reduction of cost.

So creating a demand for a market that wasn't in demand, that sounds artificially created, infact it is.

So what? That's how the history of technology goes. Innovations come along that people didn't want until they were there. The technology creates the demand. Henry Ford said (and I paraphrase) "if I had asked people what they wanted they would have said 'faster horses'".

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 8:31 AM UTC

glogla wrote: post #247

So you're okay with hurting other people, especially the elderly, disabled and poor, because you get something. I guess admitting that takes "courage" as well?

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Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by skgoa » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:11 AM UTC

lowercased wrote: post #365

bogomipz wrote: post #361

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The problem with the headphone jack adapter is that it is mutually exclusive with input for the power cable. Where this is particularly frustrating is when you are on a particularly long conference call and your phone starts to run out of charge. This happened regularly enough for me ditch the iphone. I'm sure there yet another dongle you can buy to address this shortcoming though.

we'll get wireless charging at some point (though probably only if it doesn't interfere with 'thinness') and then we'll only have a couple hundred millions devices with that problem....

The iPhone already has wireless charging.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by skgoa » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:14 AM UTC

pookieinc wrote: post #283

skgoa wrote: post #265

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> they've alienated so many people to find their own path when they don't include the adapter. My iPhone came with an adapter, though. I continue using the same headphones as I did with my old phone.

My understanding is that the latest version of iPhone doesn't ship with the adapter anymore.[0] 0: https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17827970/no-more-free-iph...

Well that sucks. Apple's policy of not including commonly needed adapters is a general point of criticism with this company, though. (and a very valid one.) IMO it's not an issue that stems specifically from the headphone jack removal.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by cm2187 » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:48 AM UTC

yoz-y wrote: post #537

fidrelity wrote: post #532

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There are more and more phones produced without a headphone jack: https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list...

Parent was probably referring to the fact that phones still have usb-c/lightning ports and you can plug usb-c/lightning headphones to them just fine. The port is not dedicated but as long as you are not charging it works identically to the old headphone jack.

Then you have to chose between charging your phone or tablet on a plane on a long trip vs using it...

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by cm2187 » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:49 AM UTC

Frondo wrote: post #533

williamdclt wrote: post #477

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Reliability, too. I don't trust bluetooth at all . And price: a jack is dumb tech and cheap (cheap anough that I always had about 10 extra jacks of all kinds with me when I was doing a gig). But to be fair, wireless transmitters/receivers do exist for musicians. They don't use bluetooth ofc, but that means that the latency can be bearable with wireless. It's made for live playing though (freedom of movement), no poin…

I do like wireless, for a different kind of reliability: never ever having to worry that I'm going to snap off the plug in my phone, pull the jack off the circuit board from sitting on it wrong, whatever. When I sit down on the train, last thing I want is to sit on my phone wrong and wreck the phone and the headphones at the same time. Moving parts and physical connections are fragile. Wireless connections solve that…

I wouldn't call wireless "not fragile". It is notoriously unreliable (connection dropping problems, pairing problems, etc).

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by Mankrik » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 10:42 AM UTC

jamesrcole wrote: post #694

Mankrik wrote: post #398

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So creating a demand for a market that wasn't in demand, that sounds artificially created, infact it is.

So what? That's how the history of technology goes. Innovations come along that people didn't want until they were there. The technology creates the demand. Henry Ford said (and I paraphrase) "if I had asked people what they wanted they would have said 'faster horses'".

But people could still ride horses when cars came about and they still can, the transition happened over decades. But this change is happening over a matter of years, the reasons for which are not utilitarian.