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Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#682Hugely disappointing and shocking news. Demis seemed like the inevitable successor to Sundar. A move of this magnitude couldn't have been made without consent of Larry and Sergey, so it makes me wonder why from their perspective. Perhaps an unpopular opinion: Google would greatly benefit from this AI bubble to pop and take down OpenAI and Anthropic.
“Demis seemed like the inevitable successor to Sundar.”
Demis is a ai researcher. No indications of being a polyglot beyond that? Running alphabet means a focus on revenue growth and across more boring products.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#683OpenAI has commited 5 felonies.
Anthropic 2. Fines for $1.5B.
There is no word for copyright in Chinese.
These are the companies that are moving forward.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#684Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's more annoying is that so many people say it with a passion. Like it's about their favorite soccer team or something.
More like sects of a major religion. Or, a minor and incredibly expensive religion, in this case.
Tribalism is human nature, for better or (usually) worse.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#685> Lastly, after an incredible 27-year run, Jeff Dean is at a moment where he wants to try something new, and we’re excited to support him in that. Jeff and Google Senior Fellow Sanjay Ghemawat are launching an independent public benefit corporation to accelerate discoveries in ML, science, and engineering. Oof. Good for Jeff and Sanjay (who just joined Twitter), bu that is a big loss for Google. Google stock is down…
For at least a year now the standard reflexive reply to “Google seems way behind OAI and Anthropic” has been “it’ll be ok, they’ve got Dean and Hassabis.” And now they don’t. What reason is there to be bullish about Google now?
Revenue, data, and stamina.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#686Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don’t worry they will just limit them to a 10x return but then later on just convert to for profit and fahgetabout the cap!
I don't think Anthropic (the only major PBC in this space) ever did this. OpenAI did but they had a totally different structure and were never a PBC. If these guys adopt a similar LTBT+PBC structure to Anthropic it should be more resilient.
OpenAI has a PBC now
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#687Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a friend at Google DeepMind who tells me that Google believes in AGI/superintelligence just as much as HN does, which is probably why no one with conviction wants to work there.
What’s with fascination with agi/superintelligence? It seems people working on it never had kids and just want to compensate for that. It’s a really horrible thing to try to “solve”.
> What’s with fascination with agi/superintelligence
We had relative strength, we needed more strength, we built cranes;
there was something like intelligence, we needed more intelligence, we sought to fill the need;
we were rightly fascinated with intelligence, we studied intelligence itself, we wanted to build it...
And then somebody built things that looked like intelligence, and very rightly some said "Oh, now we have to get to the Real Thing with urgency".
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#688So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…
> Combined with no gemini frontier GA release in about 14 months. You have to have created an environment pretty hostile to innovation for this to happen
The Trump admin is now regulating frontier models though.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#689So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…
Maybe Google's decision to waste everyone's time and pollute the truth ecosystem by pushing half baked AI assertions into search was a mistake.
Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
#690Earlier quoted context omitted.
He won a nobel prize for his work on protein folding while at Google...it seems like they give him a lot of room to explore problems that aren't directly related to serving ads
But it was Google fault that they really cannot productize all that innovation that happened DeepMind. Google probably now fumbled with world models and this exodus will create next giant in that space.
> Google probably now fumbled with world models [...].
Can you explain this more precisely?