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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The trouble with Keynes is that it's only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe, and in that context it's fully nihilistic. Whereas most economic theories do operate on timescales where the finding out comes within the lifetime of the people fucking around You got this completely backwards: Keynes argument is that economic policies cannot just rely on the fact that things are going to be fi…

No, the quote is regularly brought out as a justification to ignore long-term and even medium-term effects whenever the result is anything less than instantaneous. Even right now we're in a discussion about manufacturing where the lead time is a low single digit number of years. The expectation that we'll all be dead before it shakes out is rather implausible but there is the quote. And there are no valid theories th…

> No, the quote is regularly brought out as a justification to ignore long-term and even medium-term effects whenever the result is anything less than instantaneous.

If the quotation is misused that is hardly the fault of Keynes:

> The Tract is the source of Keynes's famous remark, "in the long run we are all dead." This occurs in the context of noting that price level should vary in direct proportion to money quantity if other variables return to their former values, but the short-term dynamics of this process have practical importance.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tract_on_Monetary_Reform#Leg...

The economic pain that Britain was experiencing in the 1920s due to its ill-conceived idea of sticking with the Gold Standard, especially at the wrong level, could have been solved through policy tools that the Bank of England had at the time rather than waiting for this to stabilize 'in the long-run'. I.e., he did not want to wait for eventual stabilization, he wanted to alleviate people's suffering now: it's no use to you if things stabilize when you're dead.

A longer extract:

> In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#682

Oracle cut their Always Free ARM offering in half CPU & memory-wise, Hetzner is increasing prices by up to 300%. I think that this is going to push even more people to pick up a mini PC and forward ports to it on their LAN.

Maybe I should start a port-forwarding business.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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post #578

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GP's point is this isn't the 2nd car, this is the 41st car. If they had 1 car it'd be a 2x increase. If they have 40 cars, the only way the 41st car would lead to a 2x increase is if that single car cost as much as 40 other cars. That's what the post you're responding to was asking.

The real question is whether it's actually just the 41st car or if the demand is such that they'd have to go from 40 cars to 200 and then risk having the demand fall back off after they've already sign on to making 160 more car payments.

That's the situation for Micron. Not for Hetzner, since nobody is using them to run large scale AI.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#684

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The price of server auctions seem pretty much the same as before: https://www.hetzner.com/sb so if you don't need the latest hardware, Hetzner is still and outstanding deal.

Server auctions are more expensive than last month, I feel like 50% more at a minimum.

The lowest is 46.70 EUR, and loads under 50 EUR. Seems about the same as usual. I've not checked any of the higher models in the auctions for ages though.

It's important to understand how the auctions work though - the price of each server starts high and drops every couple of hours. That's why were are lots of the same spec at different prices. So, when demand is suddenly high (e.g. when the regular prices increase) the lowest prices will increase as the cheaper ones usually sell first.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#685

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Because they think it may be a bubble. If it's not, no harm done to the hardware manufacturers, they just make more money per unit, but if it is a bubble, they don't want to be stranded with excess capacity.

There is potential harm if it’s not a bubble and their competitors scale and capture more of the market and they don’t. That’s why CXMT is a real wildcard - they could use this situation to become a big player.

Or even if it is a bubble and we all develop brand loyalty to the competitors who scaled.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#686

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Yes, but Hetzner is not "some low-end provider". They have proper, high-quality datacenters with all the redundancy you want, excellent connectivity, great service, and much better privacy controls than any American company would be legally able to provide. Hetzner also offers instant scalability and has Terraform and Ansible support for infrastructure automation. We have some VMs on Azure and some on Hetzner, and th…

> much better privacy controls than any American company would be legally able to provide Yeah, sure. They even MITM your TLS for extra privacy I suppose. https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

Every company complies with national security letters with gag orders, which it's strongly implied this was.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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I use a cheapo VPS there to host some git repositories. It's going from $6.99/mo to $20.49. Who in their right mind would pay that for a 2 core/2 GB VPS? It makes me wonder if they are trying to shed some unwanted customers.

You continue to pay the old price as long as you don't change your plan!

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#688

Seems like it doesn't apply to older machines, I have AX41-NVMe, it's not on the list, I also didn't get any notification from them (and they usually send some) - no need to panic if you're longterm customer.

First two sentences. Only new plans are affected. Hold onto your servers as long as you can.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#689

Seems like it doesn't apply to older machines, I have AX41-NVMe, it's not on the list, I also didn't get any notification from them (and they usually send some) - no need to panic if you're longterm customer.

Also running an AX41-NVMe for 6 years now. I cannot remember, but they do replace defective parts, right?

They do, as long as possible and for free. Some comments said if they can't source replacement parts they may force you to change server. I wonder if they'll still grandfather your discount in that case.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

#690

Are the existing customers grandfathered to the old prices (at least for now)? I don't see the increase in my account.

Come on, the article wasn't even that long :P "Existing server contracts will keep their terms and conditions and remain active. The changes apply exclusively to new orders and rescales of existing servers, as well as the future products that we will introduct using the new product structure."

The link goes halfway down the page so many people won't have scrolled up to the top.
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