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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by andix »

abigail95 wrote: post #592
andix wrote: post #341

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I can't find the problematic statement. Off course the tariffs are a threat to the financial success of German car manufacturers, and they need to keep their investors updated. The DMA is also threatening Apple's high profit margins. That's the whole point of the DMA.

Surely the point is competition, growth and a higher quality of life? Or is it actually a crusade against margin?

It is multiple things at once. It's a typical antitrust law, to increase competition. Enough competition usually leads to lower prices and lower margins.

One thing it isn't for sure: "a crusade".

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by andix »

theshrike79 wrote: post #646
827a wrote: post #579

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yeah that must be why Apple is so careful about restricting access to the same data when it is synced onto a Mac oh wait they aren't

You actually think that "syncing onto a mac" is the same as sending the data to a completely unvetted 3rd party cloud?

Apple can only allows EU-based alternatives. Then the data protection is solely in hands of the EU commission and their vetting and regulation.

Problem solved. Next question?

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Post by troupo »

tticvs wrote: post #678
troupo wrote: post #365

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"Onerous requirements": users have the right to chose, users have the right to privacy.

Correct, they can choose not to buy an iphone. Also, in this case, the EU regulations are undermining privacy.

> choose not to buy an iphone

That's not really a choice. Hint: duopoly

> Also, in this case

You can't claim regulations to be onetous and bot onerous at the same time

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Post by mike_hearn »

M95D wrote: post #668
mike_hearn wrote: post #655

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It's a constitutional fact. The most they can do is propose amendments to laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission drives the whole process and isn't required to accept them (worst case, they just cancel the law and then try again later). There is literally nobody you can vote for to if you want to repeal the DMA.

I had the impression they can amend and repeal them. I was wrong.

No worries. It's called a Parliament despite not being one by the definition of the word, specifically to create this confusion.

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Post by simjnd »

rusk wrote: post #632
simjnd wrote: post #189

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I don't think they were necessarily thinking of one EU-wide agency, but the recent attacks on encryption including Chat Control which almost passed, a lot of EU countries voting for far-right governments. I do believe we still have it better than in the US wrt privacy (e.g. we don't have Flock cameras), but we need to be careful considering what EU governments have been doing.

> EU governments “European” governments. Non-european governments too. By definition “not” the EU

Of course, but I'm replying to a comment that speaks like surveillance doesn't exist in the EU because there is not a European NSA, so I'm talking specifically about the EU surveillance risk.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

simjnd wrote: post #185
jandrewrogers wrote: post #160

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The technical problem is nothing like exchanging data with fitness trackers. One of the issues here is that there are many people with strong opinions that don't understand the thing they have strong opinions about. Which is the normal state of human affairs.

Indeed but you ignore my second paragraph: they have developed (and 3rd-party audited) a way to handoff all the data (parts of your Personal Context, etc.) to their cloud servers in a privacy preserving way on-device. Why couldn't the same process could be used to handoff the data to a 3rd-party AI provider? (genuine why, if you have an understanding of the thing you have a strong opinion about I'd genuinely apprecia…

Well, it seems they couldn’t do it that way, and that’s why we don’t get it in the EU. You’re talking about every app on the phone sharing pii with third parties. Yours, and those who share data with you. This is a completely different situation than health data of a single individual. You use that “COULD” as you were certain it can be done. Tell us how.

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Post by zapzupnz »

throwaway270925 wrote: post #679
ebbi wrote: post #571

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Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. And when Meta does Meta things, the first thing the average user will complain to is Apple - "didn't you advertise to me about privacy?!"

> Because when you open it to Proton, you have to open it to Meta. No? You dont!? Why would you "have to"?

What’s the point of being forced to open something up if only to say ‘no’ to Meta? Can’t have it both wars. It’s either open or it’s not.

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Post by jen20 »

krzyk wrote: post #480
jen20 wrote: post #321

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DMA is not about privacy.

Core not, but here it is. Apple designed the system in a way that the operator can invade your privacy. So if only Apple is the operator it is "OK", but if they allow other operators it is not.

> Apple designed the system in a way that the operator can invade your privacy.

Citation needed.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by jen20 »

troupo wrote: post #357
jen20 wrote: post #317

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It doesn't _have_ to stop - the features just can't ship in the EU while these requirements are in place, which is exactly what is happening here. The law is working as intended, just not in the way the proponents thought it would.

> the features just can't ship in the EU while these requirements are in place, Yes, they can. Apple wields its duopoly power to try and bend governments to its will.

> Yes, they can.

Then why aren't they?

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Post by meta_gunslinger »

kergonath wrote: post #541
coldtea wrote: post #500

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It's even less direct than national parliaments, which already are a joke. And the unelected bureucracy, careerists, and 2-3 big country interests pressuring others under the table, are driving the show...

It’s just as direct as national parliaments. Citizens vote for MEPs.

Please stop spreading misinformation, the European Parliament constituted by the MEPs has zero legislative powers.
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