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Re: Siri AI

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Post by nozzlegear »

kristianc wrote: post #465
zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

An alien landing on earth consuming Apple marketing content would be under the impression that humans did nothing but organise hikes to Big Sur with their friends.

If I lived in California I'd be organizing hikes to Big Sur with my friends. Alas, I live in a damn cornfield. Maybe it's meant to be aspirational?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by jcgrillo »

grey-area wrote: post #610
JohnBooty wrote: post #594

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It’s really one of the most flabbergasting things about discussing LLMs with the naysayers. There are a lot of extremely legitimate concerns, like the environmental impact and so on. But I just laugh when they point out that LLMs are merely clever regurgitators of their previous inputs… as if this isn’t how we as humans operate nearly all of the time. People realllllllllly want to think they’re special snowflakes.

It is not in fact how humans work at all. Ask a human to plan a trip: They do research, Pick destinations led by their own experience/likes/dislikes Compare to other guides Plan itineraries so they can get there Check and share Ask an LLM to plan a trip: It takes the prompt and continues it based on weights in the training data. If there is no data it picks the most likely thing (maybe made up). If there is it’ll mos…

I was able to bully an LLM into giving me a 2wk travel itinerary to Somalia. My stipulations were that I wasn't interested in spending any money, so I'd walk everywhere and sleep outside. Getting there and back from Boston took some arguing--I initially suggested stowing away in a shipping container which the LLM claimed was too unsafe. We eventually compromised on sailing as a reasonable alternative. It planned out a whole route with marina stops, calculated fuel burn, etc. I told it I don't need any of that I have an anchor and sails, won't use the engine or marinas (claimed I'd forage for fresh water ashore). It seemed fine with that idea, but raised some safety concerns about piracy. It was eventually satisfied with my answer that I'd bring a lot of guns to fend off pirates. Total trip cost including some 200+ cans of Dinty Moore and 50lb bags of rice came to something like $700.

I don't trust LLMs for this application lol.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by OptionOfT »

zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

My iPhone knows the forecast for today.

I installed iOS 27 yesterday.

I asked it: please notify me when the temperature goes above 80F (so I can close the windows).

Siri responded: it'll be 99F today in Phoenix.

...

Re: Siri AI

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Post by merlindru »

nozzlegear wrote: post #679
merlindru wrote: post #664

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i dont agree at all. image generation feels very odd for Apple. and usually they don't care about glaring omissions like this, either: iPadOS was lacking a calculator for yeeeeaaaars. they repeatedly said they'd ship a calculator if they can do something special for its introduction, and only then. so why did they lose their hesitancy to ship mediocre stuff here?

That's true, good point. Maybe they just wanted it for the memoji/iMessage possibilities?

Probably. It just feels so out of character. Especially the fact that it can't be safeguarded and generate sexual innuendos, for example, which Apple usually hates.

I'm not even entirely against genmoji. It's just odd for Apple to do.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by jawilson2 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

My high school kid has a printed basketball schedule for this summer. I tried taking a pic with Siri to parse it and add it to the calendar with their visual intelligence thing or whatever. It can't do it. I had Claude parse the calendar picture and generate an ics file. Calendar on iPhone and on their website can no longer import ics files. This is like remedial AI functionality that probably could have worked 20 years ago, and it can't do the simplest most basic task.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by stevage »

mingus88 wrote: post #662
stevage wrote: post #653

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Millennials and below absolutely do want to avoid interactions with strangers. Especially gen Z will go to great lengths to avoid making a phone call. It sucks. This is why none of my local supermarkets have real checkouts anymore.

I don’t think generational stereotypes are at fault here. This is another lazy retread about how Millennials/GenZ killed -insert thing here- straight from businessinsider.com Nobody wants to make a phone call anymore because most calls are scams; phone networks are terrible and apps have replaced them, like a lot of legacy tech. Supermarkets make more profit if they pass on the checkout labor to the customer. That’s…

> Nobody wants to make a phone call anymore because most calls are scams; phone networks are terrible and apps have replaced them, like a lot of legacy tech.

This has nothing to do with the unwillingness of young people to use a phone to call a business.

> Supermarkets make more profit if they pass on the checkout labor to the customer. That’s the whole story.

It's half the story. The willingness of young people to accept it, and even prefer it, is the other half.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by lopis »

jawilson2 wrote: post #686
zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

My high school kid has a printed basketball schedule for this summer. I tried taking a pic with Siri to parse it and add it to the calendar with their visual intelligence thing or whatever. It can't do it. I had Claude parse the calendar picture and generate an ics file. Calendar on iPhone and on their website can no longer import ics files. This is like remedial AI functionality that probably could have worked 20 ye…

Lots of tech used to work and was just deprecated because it's not profitable. Google used to have amazing features on android, assistant and maps, that are just gone now, and slowly coming back in gemini.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by telesilla »

__jonas wrote: post #590
kristianc wrote: post #465

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An alien landing on earth consuming Apple marketing content would be under the impression that humans did nothing but organise hikes to Big Sur with their friends.

A classic: https://maxread.substack.com/p/a-literary-history-of-fake-te...

That's insane dedication.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by matchbok3 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #256
tyre wrote: post #253

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It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

> Apple is doing the right thing for users. The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly. Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept t…

Forcing choices is not "competition". We already have competition. People can buy any phone they want. They can use whatever AI they want.

There's nothing "fair" about this at all. It's a group of luddites in the EU who dislike how successful American companies are.

Again, the EU is stifling innovation with these backwards-looking rules. No wonder they have no innovative companies.

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