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Re: Can we have the day off?

#682
Yes, you can take the day off, but your pay will be reduced by 20%. Just because technology and productivity are advancing doesn’t mean you can work less and still get the same pay. By that logic, hardly anyone would need to work today, as productivity has increased many times over compared to previous centuries. If one company works less, then other companies that work more have an advantage. That’s why it doesn’t work.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#683

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>AI has never, ever, and never will be, about making life better for the average human. You don't know that. And this same line could be said about any technology that results in accruing of capital, but actually does end up making life better for the average human. What if AI at AlphaFold finds a cure for Alzheimer's disease? What if it finds a way to actually perfect fusion? You can't tell me we don't live better l…

I am okay with Alzheimer's not being cured if it means we are not bending over backwards to welcome a billionaire overlord class. I don't think Altman or Amodei give a fuck about Alzheimer's unless a cure gives them a reason to obtain more investments. You could say that is the system working, but as a member of said system, it feels pretty shit.

These threads are so tiresome. Reddit doomerism has infested hn.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#684
post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

It is honestly offensive to me that this isn't plainly obvious to everyone. AI has never, ever, and never will be, about making life better for the average human. It has always been, and always will be, about wealth consolidation and control. Does anyone think it is coincidence that now local models are more useful the market has suddenly made it massively more expensive to buy your own hardware? Companies are just g…

> AI has never, ever, and never will be, about making life better for the average human. It has always been, and always will be, about wealth consolidation and control.

I think here it's useful to separate "AI" as sold and marketed today from "AI" as a CS discipline, a field of study, and a category of tools and techniques.

The field of Artificial Intelligence has always been, at least for the majority of people in it, about improving things for real people.

The LLMs that have garnered huge valuations and an outsized share of everyone's attention in recent years started as part of that field, and grew out of its research and technological advances.

But once companies started seeing how they could monetise it, that's when it started being about wealth consolidation and control.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#686

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And that support was a family of 4-6 in a 1200 sq ft house, eating out <6x a year, vacations were picnics at the local beach, one car that you did your own maintenance on, one tv, only one set of good clothes (your Sunday outfit), et cetera. Most places in the US can still support a family at that same level of expenditure on an average income.

That exact same 1200 sq ft house is now 300k in the Midwest, if it's even for sale at all, and it's likely a rental for $2.5k/month.

You can't get the same 1200 sq ft detached house in the suburbs on an average single income because suburbs have urbanized. But you can usually get a 1200 sq ft apartment in an urban area or a detached house in a rural area.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#687
Well. It all boils down to one simple truth:

Any gains in productivity are extracted by the rich. Any losses of productivity shall be covered by the poor. It is a one-way rachet.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>AI has never, ever, and never will be, about making life better for the average human. You don't know that. And this same line could be said about any technology that results in accruing of capital, but actually does end up making life better for the average human. What if AI at AlphaFold finds a cure for Alzheimer's disease? What if it finds a way to actually perfect fusion? You can't tell me we don't live better l…

I am okay with Alzheimer's not being cured if it means we are not bending over backwards to welcome a billionaire overlord class. I don't think Altman or Amodei give a fuck about Alzheimer's unless a cure gives them a reason to obtain more investments. You could say that is the system working, but as a member of said system, it feels pretty shit.

> I am okay with Alzheimer's not being cured if it means we are not bending over backwards to welcome a billionaire overlord class

What a cold perspective. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: Can we have the day off?

#689
post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

>I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now.

I've lost my job in February... Still trying to find a new job... any job...

Re: Can we have the day off?

#690
post #33

This article is kind of playful, but I think there’s a serious point here that’s not discussed enough. We’re being asked to usher in huge productivity gains by introducing AI to our workflows, but we’re not asking how does it help us? Not a lot of us stand to directly gain from our employers becoming more productive. I know everybody is afraid of getting fired and replaced with AI or whatever right now. But we should…

I think it’s pretty naive to ask your employer for a day off. As experienced by companies, the market is more competitive than ever. Whoever slows down will get eaten by some hungry upstart that is willing to work 996 to eat the incumbent’s lunch. It’s a Prisoner’s Dilemma. The only way to get this outcome is to coordinate at a level higher than individual market participants. In other words, get your government to i…

The world is decentralized. People and produce can cross borders. People don’t vote for sending ubi to outside borders.
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