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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by sdoering »

pxc wrote: post #512
sdoering wrote: post #84

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Can't attest to framework, but after switching to an arch based syttem on my Quite low level HP Envy 13'' I get about 130% - 170% of time out of the system. Yes, I am running mostly in dark mode now. Yes, I am using the terminal significantly more often now (80% of the time). But also I have always a browser, always Slack, WhatsApp, Obsidian and more often than not a few other things running on virtual screens. Just…

Wow. For as long as I can remember it was usually the opposite for me. Even after configuring TLP and looking for things to tune manually with powertop, I usually didn't get battery usage quite as low as I wanted. I thought it was still typical for Windows to be better. Are you running a DE or just a lightweight WM?

I’m running a Hyprland-based setup, so more WM/compositor than full DE, with a small bit of tuning in Arch’s power settings.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by maximzxc »

Why no trackpoint support yet? I saw it being requested a lot of times already. Really tired of using ThinkPads, would love to change to anything else, but trackpoint is the only thing that keeps me from switching.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by schaefer »

nrp wrote: post #428
pimterry wrote: post #125

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All the battery life stats use Windows for testing. How does the equivalent Linux performance compare?

We're going to publish more Linux benchmarks as well. We have s0ix noted (7 days), and we're trying to make some more repeatable productivity-oriented workflows for Linux to use. We expect that Phoronix will publish some pretty thorough power efficiency tests too. We'll certainly be providing them with review hardware.

Thank you for supporting Phoronix. They are the #1 review I keep an eye on for linux laptops.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dismalaf »

nmlt wrote: post #595
okanat wrote: post #95

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For laptops Lunar lake and Panther lake addressed many issues and brought x86 power consumption to Apple Silicon levels.

Is that true? Many other comments in this thread are saying Apple Silicon has something like 30% better efficiency/battery life.

Apple Silicon had a process node advantage over the Core 100 and 200 series due to having a better allocation with TSMC.

Now Intel's process node is also SOTA and on par with TSMC 2nm so they should be more or less equivalent and the only differences down to what set of compromises they make in the design of the chips.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bloq66 »

As I love the idea of modular and repairable laptop, I've got some issues with it. I have Framework 13 AMD with Fedora (as Arch was almost unusable on it for me). Connecting external hardware to it, especially dock stations and monitors - which work flawlessly with another laptops - sometimes works, sometimes not...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

nathan-hello wrote: post #680
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #669

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Normies don’t buy framework laptops. Search this thread for the “oh but it’s so expensive, I could just buy a new laptop from any other manufacturer every 3 years and it would be cheaper” posts - those are the normies.

normie absolutely love the expansion io slots. “wait so i can have TWO ethernet ports???” i have been responsible for at least three fw16 sales because I got one first, and this was the biggest thing i heard

Nah. Normies needing Ethernet ports buy usb c to Ethernet adapters at Walmart or Best Buy.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by guerby »

cromka wrote: post #632
guerby wrote: post #471

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You can add extra disk via the removable slots, frame.work shop has various disk sizes.

Its not about size but being able to run a RAID1 setup for speed and redundancy. External USB storage doesn't help here.

"With a USB 3.2 Gen 2 interface, it reaches 1000 MB/s read and 800 MB/s write speeds. It is fast enough to run apps and even boot an operating system from"

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Post by Tade0 »

knivets wrote: post #605
Neikius wrote: post #20

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Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

Practically, if you have AppleCare you don't need to worry about repairability.

I worry about e-waste and having AppleCare doesn't really help here.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bfivyvysj »

jszymborski wrote: post #346
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

> That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. It's sorta essential imo if they want to make good on their one value-prop: repairability and the good will that comes with it. If they start releasing a tonne of SKUs with a million different parts, they'll inevitably have to sunset parts at a clip that'll completely make useless their repairability claims. I am a happy Framework laptop owner, but I paid a prem…

Weird to frame that as "their one value prop" as if the quality of their offering in general is just plain better. It comes at a premium thats my only gripe with it.
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