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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Not a network engineer by any measure - but I think if it was wifi contamination, it wouldn't get worse in the evenings. The routers are on 24/7. Thoughts?

it wouldn't get worse in the evenings Why not? People come home and start using their internet. They watch TV over wifi, use their PCs, watch videos on their phones, everyone uses what they have at the same time. Thoughts?

I was going to respond on topic, but you might be a bit too snarky for my taste

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Not a network engineer by any measure - but I think if it was wifi contamination, it wouldn't get worse in the evenings. The routers are on 24/7. Thoughts?

That's why professionals don't call this "wifi contamination", we call it spectrum utilization/congestion. The problem isn't the number of wifi APs, the impact of beacons (i.e. idle APs) is, while not zero, quite limited and only visible in extreme cases. The actual problem is traffic, which consumes available spectrum when being carried. It's a factor of RF bandwidth, time and space. With some non-obvious parts: - s…

Thanks for that. I thought the AP being on 24/7 was enough, but it makes sense that actual traffic is what makes the difference.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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"unable to get along with anyone" is an interesting claim given that the last armed conflict in Switzerland was in 1847 (Sonderbund War).

I mean, it's hard to start wars when you don't get along with anyone and can't find a single ally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702

> Switzerland relies on neighboring countries to police its airspace outside of regular business hours; the French and Italian Air Forces have permission to escort suspicious flights into Swiss airspace, but do not have authority to shoot down an aircraft over Switzerland.

They were friendly enough with their neighbors to let their own Air Force have the nights and weekends off.

Passport control when I went from France to Switzerland was someone coming onto the train and yelling “anyone not allowed in Switzerland? No? Good!”

I think they’re fine.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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What can the average person consume that needs 25 GB to their home?

I don't know what speeds I'm getting. My streams are not skipping or pausing. The odd large download is quick enough beyond caring.

Badly designed websites of course load badly. That has to do with latency rather than bandwidth, and the staging of the fetches.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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I can actually get 7 gbit but have no idea what I'd use with it. I'd need to upgrade my entire lan just to make use of it.

It’s not official, but you don’t always need to replace Cat5 cable with Cat6 to support 10Gbps Ethernet. Cat5 might only get you a quarter of the range of Cat6 on a good day, but since the range of Ethernet is 300 feet you would need a really big house to have cables that were too long. But generally the real question is how often the extra speed would give you a real measurable advantage. If it’s only a few times pe…

I have a 1000 ft spool of cat6. I meant switches, router, and other peripherals. Need a new switch anyway.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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If anyone on my team browses HN they will now know who I am :D

I moved to a new house in the Netherlands at the end of last summer. KPN the FTTH provider was there by chance the day I got the keys to put the fibre in the cable box by my front door, however there was something wrong on the other end and the fibre was dark. The fibre lines themselves are owned by a different company and KPN couldn't issue a work order on my behalf to the fibre managment company since I didn't have an active KPN subscription. The way you get an active subscription is for the tech to connect his diagnostic machine (or a self installing modem/ont) to validate the connection works. Catch 22, can't fix the fibre without an active subscription, can't activate the subscription without a working fibre.

In one of the ten or so phone calls trying to come to a sensible resolution, one of the support people suggested the only way to resolve this was for someone with an active KPN subscription moves to my street so they can issue the work order on their account instead (yea let me get right on that KPN) or to simply get a different ISP that is willing to issue the work order and then switch back to KPN.

I told them to forget my number and went with a hyper local ISP that literally has a cat 6 cable running under the cobblestones from my neighbours house. Unfortunately it's not a very stable connection and the 1gb is more like 30-300mb depending on presumably the bandwidth usage of the neighbours.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Maybe thought terminating but it is discussion instigating, and if stated in a public conversation by anyone of authority and power, it's a nuclear bomb going off. This is the unstated conversation that needs to occur in public, and not by me or you or anyone less than a ruler of a major country, and not that idiot Trump.

> it is discussion instigating Not really. "Corruption" as the answer to why America doesn't have 25 Gbit internet is (a) mostly wrong and (b) useless in terms of developing next steps. > the unstated conversation that needs to occur in public Everyone is constantly talking about corruption. Pretending it's "unstated" is wrong. The conversation usually doesn't go anywhere because saying corruption with zero evidence…

But the "everyone" is not the political leaders, and not officially, not in any forum that could do anything about said "corruption". It is literally a game of speaking about corruption only in venues where nothing can be done about said corruption. When Trump talks these issues, it's a projection of his own ideas and actions. The entire action of "discussion corruption" has been normalized as pointless, as you are advocating.

Plus, and this is huge: people cannot discuss anything materially important in any rational manner. They get emotional, they cannot control their thoughts, and all of that is manufactured in them by our society to impair action against our powerful manipulating organizations such as industries, political parties, and any collection of anyone that feels they can demand their wants or needs.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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So what's your excuse for why New York has equally bad internet?

City or state? City: just take a walk through manhattan and in a block or two look at the giant open-pit excavation with a 200-year-old morass of undocumented infrastructure under the street. This is before you even try to run fiber up to units in buildings which were built before electricity was standard. I am hardly saying it can't be done, simply that it is not as easy as density makes it seem. State: the exact op…

Do you think the wilds two hours north of NYC are more or less difficult for laying fibre lines than between homes literally in the alps? 60% of switzerland is alps. Not exactly a cake walk for infrastructure development.

And why would they need open pit excavation for FTTH in NYC? Are there not existing trenches and under-street ducting for cables already in most of the city? Surely there are going to be some tricky areas but how to the other utilities like phones and electric work on their cabling?

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Did you miss the "network engineer" part? I get that you don't want to actually confront what I'm saying by pulling out a label and doing the appeal to authority routine, but that isn't real evidence or information. You're still ignoring that two things can be true, but it doesn't mean they are both equal contributors when you take a birds eye overview of entire countries. You also aren't explaining why wifi wouldn't…

So sorry, you're right, wifi interference was slowing down the wired ethernet connection on the router that had no wifi. /eot

It seems like you're taking a single instance and generalizing it to millions of people.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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it wouldn't get worse in the evenings Why not? People come home and start using their internet. They watch TV over wifi, use their PCs, watch videos on their phones, everyone uses what they have at the same time. Thoughts?

I was going to respond on topic, but you might be a bit too snarky for my taste

Was the "snark" using your exact words?
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