py stuff aside for a sec, having this team working on Codex will be huge.
I didn’t see a way they ever dethroned Claude until now.
Happy as a Codex user, gloomy as a Python one.
Astral to Join OpenAI
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#682good job
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If that were true, Astral wouldn't have been able to build it in the first place. It's an Open Source tool. Perhaps folks excited about working on it can move to the Python Foundation and maintain it there. Perhaps companies who saw today's acquisition and became deeply worried about the future of this tooling could help support and fund such an effort.
Part of the reason Astral as a team is so well liked is precisely because they are not part of the main fold or related to "Core Python"; they are an independent vendor, one that delivered high quality code and listened directly to users and their own (extensive) experience to do so, and they succeeded at that repeatedly. Python packaging has {been seen as, actually been} miserable for years , and so by the same toke…
Does that not also suggest (cautious, make sure we back it up with our actions) optimism about this acquisition? We're not breaking up the band. These tools will be in the same hands as before. And it would be extremely value-destructive to bring in a team like ours and then undermine what made us valued and successful.
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#684A concern: More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now. As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Clau…
Vercel did this as well. I called it "ecosystem capture" but I like "means of production" too.
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Sure, but if tomorrow uv and ruff ceased to exist, we could all go back to any number of other solutions.
Ruff is nice, but not important, uv is one of the few things making the python ecosystem bearable. Python is a language for monkeys, and if you don't give monkeys good tools, they will forever entangle themselves and you . It is all garbage wrapped in garbage. At least let me deploy it without having to manually detangle all that garbage by version. I'm done pretending this is a "right tools for the right job" kind o…
Ahaha, I feel this comment.
I used to do backend development in superior languages, and sometimes do hobby frontend in superior languages, but my work is Python now. And it kind of has to be Python: we do machine learning, and I work with GDAL and PDAL and all these other weird libraries and everything has Python bindings! I search for "coherent point drift" and of course there's a Python library.
The superior languages I mentioned... perhaps they have like a library for JSON encoding and decoding. You need anything else? Great, now you're a library author and maintainer!
Re: Astral to Join OpenAI
#686Not who I would've liked to acquire Astral. As long as OpenAI doesn't force bad decisions on to Astral too hard, I'm very happy for the Astral team. They've been making some of the best Python tooling that has made the ecosystem so much better IME.
Eh, if it turns out to be too bad I guess I’ll just end up switching back to pipenv, which is the closest thing to uv (especially due to the automatic Python version management, but not as fast).
People would just make pipenv fast? There are some new tools that can help with that..
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Nice idea in theory, in practice is how many folks down in Nebraska are going to show up.
as someone who works in the python tooling space I think you underestimate the number of people who would be willing to do this. i would personally help maintain a community fork of ruff if it got to the point where one was needed, though I draw the line at moving to nebraska first.
It is proven by the amount of projects that eventually falled by the wayside after the first wave of volunteers run out of steam to keep it going post-fork.
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It's such a laughable take. First of all a language is never getting popular simply because it's good. Actually most used languages are usually terrible.[0] Secondly it's non factual. Python's market share grew in 2025[1][2][3]. Probably driven by AI demand. [0]: even truer for natural languages. [1]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular... [2]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#…
Yes most languages are terrible except the ones that are actually performant and good like Rust. Do you really think AI agents of the future will be coding in Python??? What advantage would that possibly give them? That's the only laughable take here
I think there are many examples throughout history of better performing options not displacing counterparts. I think, really, the only "laughable" thing here is the ignorance on display that's riding atop the arrogance.
Rust is great. But AI isn't displacing Python anytime soon.
Moreso it sucks that Astral's been bought by a company with such a horrible leader at the helm.
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Being in this industry for over 20 years probably jaded me a lot, I understand that's the plan but it's almost always the plan (or publicly stated as). Only time will tell if it will not affect the ecosystem negatively, best of luck though, I really hope this time is different™.
I've been in the industry for similarly long, and I understand and sympathize with this view. All I can say is that _right now_, we're committed to maintaining our open-source tools with the same level of effort, care, and attention to detail as before. That does not change with this acquisition. No one can guarantee how motives, incentives, and decisions might change years down the line. But that's why we bake optio…
> All I can say is that _right now_
I've also been in the industry for similarly long and I believe you 100% that's "all you can say" ;)
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It's such a laughable take. First of all a language is never getting popular simply because it's good. Actually most used languages are usually terrible.[0] Secondly it's non factual. Python's market share grew in 2025[1][2][3]. Probably driven by AI demand. [0]: even truer for natural languages. [1]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular... [2]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#…
Yes most languages are terrible except the ones that are actually performant and good like Rust. Do you really think AI agents of the future will be coding in Python??? What advantage would that possibly give them? That's the only laughable take here
Define future. If it means the next five years, yes, I absolutely expect people and machines to keep writing Python.