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One might argue the intersection itself is the problem and should be redesigned, as well as adjoining roadways feeding into the offending intersection.
If it's consistently high something needs fixing. But accidents are random, there will always be some intersections that by pure chance have more accidents. Put cameras on those, presto, cameras "work".
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Right, many other countries let you point the finger at someone else. The problem is that in the US the government is not legally allowed to even issue a ticket unless they can prove that the person they are prosecuting is the guilty party. Merely being the owner of the car is not enough.
Being the registered owner makes the person responsible. The owner can state it being stolen, or driven by someone else as valid reasons
I understand that this blows people’s mind. People in other parts of the world tend to think that they are just as protected from their government as we are in the USA, but the truth is that in practice their governments get away with a lot of crap that doesn’t fly over here. Sometimes our government gets away with some crap for a time, until the courts catch up. Sometimes the courts even make obviously wrong rulings. Judges are only human, so that is to be expected. But on the whole it’s a pretty good system.
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No, there is a difference. Parking tickets are civil infractions that can only result in a fine (or in some cases a tow, but let’s not get lost in the weeds). Running a red light, on the other hand, is a moving violation committed by the _driver_ specifically, not the owner of the vehicle. Moving violations can result in criminal penalties. Sending a ticket to the owner of the vehicle and then making them defend them…
I’m not European. Many countries have speed cameras. It differs how you’re caught. We treat a red light camera or speed camera violation as an infringement offence, like parking. If you’re pulled over, you can have your license suspended or be charged with reckless driving on the spot, because they know who you are. There’s no case, and no guilt, just a penalty. It’s not about guilt but responsibility. You’re respons…
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Two paths: Higher quality cameras equipped with facial recognition connected to a database to issue a ticket to the correct person (driver), or Hire more traffic officers to sit at traffic intersections to catch red light offenders, which will scale in cost by the size of the city, so Pick your poison
So this has been a thing in Germany since forever. The driver must pay the penalty, not the owner. So what they do is take a picture of the driver and send this to the owner. They have to either pay up, or state the name of the person who drove. If the driver claims that they did not drive and do not know the person on the picture (and if a cursory investigation fails, not sure how much time the authorities will inve…
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So this has been a thing in Germany since forever. The driver must pay the penalty, not the owner. So what they do is take a picture of the driver and send this to the owner. They have to either pay up, or state the name of the person who drove. If the driver claims that they did not drive and do not know the person on the picture (and if a cursory investigation fails, not sure how much time the authorities will inve…
Oh, that is a great third path! Thank you for that. I wonder how effective feigning ignorance will be when the officer can just compare the picture of you and your ID / IRL face.
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Why not just drive under the speed limit and sober instead of giggling about avoiding penalties while endangering us all? Note that not once did you mention that you were innocent.
I was not drunk, I haven’t had a drink in over 10 years and I’ve never driven drunk. I did not say I was innocent of the violation because I was not innocent, I never claimed to be.
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I was not drunk, I haven’t had a drink in over 10 years and I’ve never driven drunk. I did not say I was innocent of the violation because I was not innocent, I never claimed to be.
Exactly, that's why I'm saying, why are you cheering about getting off on a technicality?
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My city does it. It sucks ass. It’s a 70% vendor / 30% city revenue share and people avoid the city and use side streets to avoid the main avenues.
Are the speed limits set unreasonably low? Otherwise one could always try abiding to the speed limit.
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Obviously someone stealing a vehicle is different, as long as you’re reasonable about it. Leaving an unlocked car with keys in the ignition outside of a bank being robbed is different from someone breaking the window and spoofing your fob, and both of those are different from willingly giving the vehicle to someone. Also I mentioned criminal vs civil penalties being treated differently - I don’t believe the same scen…
> Obviously someone stealing a vehicle is different But someone borrowing it with permission isn't?
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If people routinely run the red light, it seems like an easy case to post an officer to do traffic stops and issue tickets. AFAIK, tickets issued by a sworn officer are broadly constitutional.
There's a literal police station at the intersection and they don't pay any attention at all.