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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by RupertSalt »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #664
mortarion wrote: post #639

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Countries in Europe (and most of the world) have positive constitutions, which defines what the government "must do" (for its citizens), whilst the USA has a negative constitution that defines what the government "cannot do" (against its citizens). What constitutes hate speech is carefully defined in the constitutions of EU countries. Politicians can't just amend or extend the definition at will, except in the UK whi…

Hitler was literally banned from public speaking for two years. The Nazis came to power through widespread normalized political violence, not speech, and banning Hitler from speaking did nothing but further undermine the legitimacy of the government’s mandate to rule.

Joseph Goebbels would have been disappointed to learn that his office was superfluous and irrelevant!

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Post by jjtwixman »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #679
kataklasm wrote: post #356

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We already don't. We want the Americans to pack up their bases and fuck off. Ami, go home! They've done enough work to stir up chaos and war all over the planet in the last 7 decades.

You’re entirely free — at any time — to leave NATO, develop your own replacement weapons programs, and fully fund your own defense. I suspect most Americans would actually be quite supportive. You’ll just have to figure out how to actually pay for it.

The only country Americans care about is Israel, it doesn't really matter, we get it. We don't care. Please close Ramstein :)

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by XorNot »

petcat wrote: post #659
XorNot wrote: post #658

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How would tarrifs be applied on digital services? Tarriffs are a tax on imports to the US applied by the US government. You can't tarriff selling a service overseas, in fact since AWS in other countries is a locally incorporated entity you can't even meaningfully demand they charge more AWS in the UK is a separate corporation incorporated and taxed under UK law, for example.

Right, I'm aware of that. Which is why I don't know why you brought up tarriffs in a discussion about the "soft power" that US technology services impose.

Because you said "that's obviously intentional" as though that's a thing that could be done.

My point was that tarriffs or other trade sanctions on Europe are hardly going to change the calculus or consumption of services by Europe - the most that could be done is accelerate the migration away, but European consumers wouldn't notice a thing by those mechanisms (because US digital services are an import - "kind of" - given actual corporate structures).

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #481
b112 wrote: post #376

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And truth.

You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies.

> You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies.

I wouldn't be so sure. Significant part of Russian population believes that they are purging Ukraine of evil nazis, for example. Or that WW2 started on 22 June 1941.

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Post by lostmsu »

bayindirh wrote: post #592
b112 wrote: post #376

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And truth.

> > And lies. > And truth. In short, propaganda. Propaganda (noun) : Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented…

And regular people talking their mind

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by blell »

pms wrote: post #434

It's a waste of resources, but please do it! The entire "European Union censors" narrative is a hoax [1], so the portal will achieve nothing, but you've got to do what you've got to do! [1] First, the EU countries have much higher World Press Freedom Index than the US. Second, once you start reading how little there is of the alleged "censorship" in the EU, you realize it's a no-brainer aiming to protect people.

Russia Today is blocked in the EU.

Yes I know you’ll tell me it’s for my own good. Spare me.

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Post by weregiraffe »

bayindirh wrote: post #592
b112 wrote: post #376

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And truth.

> > And lies. > And truth. In short, propaganda. Propaganda (noun) : Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented…

This definition is so broad it basically encompasses all communication.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ch4s3 »

roenxi wrote: post #513
ch4s3 wrote: post #486

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> If they didn't have a hand in the protests, that seems like a stunning failure on the part of the US State Department to support their own policies This is nothing but evidence free speculation. What you’re doing is undermining the validity of the protest movement and parroting the line of the Iranian government. It’s disgusting. Take this shit somewhere else.

It's hardly evidence-free, this stuff [0, 1, 2] has been making international news headlines for months. And the last time the US was involved in toppling Iran they used paid-for protests [3] so it is barely speculative to say they'd do again what worked last time. That is just common sense on their part. If they haven't done that, then people will be fired in the US executive for incompetence because that is the che…

None of that is evidence of the us stoking protests, and that article about the 1953 Coup is so inaccurate it’s laughable.
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