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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by rednafi »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

Maybe I am missing something but this still doesn't explain why Claude Code couldn't expose a flag and be done with it as the author mentioned.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by notanastronaut »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

It's got to be hard to find the right balance, what works for most users, and somehow include those who have workflows that involve using a rapid temperature rise as a way to signal a control.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by toyg »

ilikepi wrote: post #442
gchamonlive wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scapegoat, got it. Can't blame the autocorrect though... I honestly thought it was spelled like that, which is a shame since I've been studying English my entire life as a second language.

There's a name for this sort of phenomenon... https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/242/escape-goat/

> one of two goats that was chosen by lot to be sent alive into the wilderness, the sins of the people having been symbolically laid upon it, while the other was appointed to be sacrificed

Let me get this straight: in the Bible, the scapegoat does survive, while the "pure" goat that did nothing wrong gets killed? That's... messed up, even for a tribal rite.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by tom_m »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

Yea yea, that's a cool story, but can you make it cheaper maybe?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by keybored »

stillpointlab wrote: post #263

I'm old, so I remember when Skyrim came out. At the time, people were howling about how "dumbed down" the RPG had become compared to previous versions. They had simplified so many systems. Seemed to work out for them overall. I understand the article writers frustration. He liked a thing about a product he uses and they changed the product. He is feeling angry and he is expressing that anger and others are sharing in…

> I think the larger issue is that programmers are feeling like we are losing control. At first we're like, I'll let it auto-complete but no more. Then it was, I'll let it scaffold a project but not more. Each step we are ceding ground. It is strange to watch someone finally break on "They removed the names of the files the agent was operating on". Of all of the lost points of control this one seems so trivial. But every camels back has a breaking point and we can't judge the straw that does it.

If it sounds strange your theory might be wrong.

Telepsychology is one of the lowest forms of response.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by keybored »

PinkMilkshake wrote: post #575
jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

> The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Programmers are just jealous that they are no longer the only ones that get to play pretend. I don't know anything about you personally, but most "software engineers" are anything but.

There are many camps. Some programmers embrace the prompt, some use parts of it, some reject it on principle (a dying breed?), some think that non-developers are finally getting a go at it, some gloat that tech barons are making software engineers (apply optional quotes) obsolete.

It’s all too varied to put people into one or two camps.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

What is the best way to get you guys feedback? There's a few things I tell Claude Code to do every project that I feel like Claude should just do by default, the biggest one is instead of using Grep so much, I have ripgrep installed, it makes searching for text inside the current folder so much easier and it is insanely faster. Claude seems to work way faster when it uses ripgrep, I don't know if its because MCP has some slowness or ripgrep is just that much faster, but I don't remember grep ever being so slow to this level either.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by tartoran »

Grimblewald wrote: post #661
bcherny wrote: post #386

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. I wanted to take a sec to explain the context for this change. One of the hard things about building a product on an LLM is that the model frequently changes underneath you. Since we introduced Claude Code almost a year ago, Claude has gotten more intelligent, it runs for longer periods of time, and it is able to more agentically use more tools. This is one of the magical th…

I'm a Claude user who has been burned lately by how opaque the system has become. My workflows aren't long and my projects are small in terms of file count, but the work is highly specialized. It is "out of domain" enough that I'm getting "what is the seahorse emoji" style responses for genuine requests that any human in my field could easily follow. I've been testing Claude on small side projects to check its reliab…

>the session just burns through my token quota

Did you ever think that this may be Anthropic's goal? It is a waste for sure but it increases their revenue. Later on the old feature you were used to may resurface at a different tier so you'd have to pay up to get it.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by crazygringo »

pixl97 wrote: post #673
crazygringo wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism I think we can be more charitable. Don't you see, even here on HN, people constantly asking for software that is less bloated, that does fewer things but does them better, that code is cost, and every piece of complexity is something that needs to be maintained? As features keep getting added, it is necessary to revisit where the UX is "too mu…

>As features keep getting added ... so things need to be hidden Here lies the problem Your first users were here without all the added features. It's very likely they didn't need those features to use the software. Then you add new features and clutter it... then remove features from the UX that they were using .

> then remove features from the UX that they were using

Yeah but like I said, people make mistakes. The thing about text output is that it's impossible to track if people are using it at first. You can measure button clicks and key presses. You can't measure eye gaze (at least not usually!).

The good news is, if you remove it and get complaints, you can measure complaints. If you put in a toggle to re-enable it, you can measure how many people activate the toggle. Then you actually have the data, so you can decide whether to just bring it back entirely, or keep it as a toggle, or what.

PM's and designers aren't omniscient. If a feature is view-only, you literally can't tell how much it's used, and it might be minor enough that you never ask about it in user interviews.

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