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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by janalsncm »

wtcactus wrote: post #661
sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #644

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Not the same - the barrier to entry was too high. Most people don't have the skills to edit photos using Photoshop. Grok enabled this to happen to scale for users who are complete non techies. With grok, anyone who could type in a half-coherent sentence in English could generate and disseminate these images. Edit: clarified the last sentence

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I see what you’re getting at. You’re trying to draw a moral equivalence between photoshop and grok. Where that falls flat for me is the distribution aspect: photoshop would not also publish and broadcast the illegal material.

But police don’t care about moral equivalence. They care about the law. For the legal details we would need to consult French law. But I assume it is illegal to create and distribute the images. Heck, it’s also probably against Twitter’s TOS too so by all rights the grok account should be banned.

> This is a political action by the French

Maybe. They probably don’t like a foreign company coming in, violating their children, and getting away with it. But what Twitter did was so far out of line that I’d be shocked if French companies weren’t treated the same way.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

cm2187 wrote: post #349
beart wrote: post #132

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Offline syncing of outlook could reveal a lot of emails that would otherwise be on a foreign server. A lot of people save copies of documents locally as well.

Most enterprises have fully encrypted workstations, when they don't use VM where the desktop is just a thin client that doesn't store any data. So there should be really nothing of interest in the office itself.

French has a password disclosure law.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by actionfromafar »

beAbU wrote: post #583
exodust wrote: post #528

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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

I think you are going a bit too far.

Let's start from the beginning, create and own:

You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. You created that and own that. Thas has always been illegal?!

(This is apart from my feelings on Mechahitler/Grok, which aren't positive.)

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #192
ronsor wrote: post #161

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These days many tech company offices have a "panic button" for raids that will erase data. Uber is perhaps the most notorious example.

This is a perfect way for the legal head of the company in-country to visit some jails. They will explain that it was done remotely and whatnot but then the company will be closed in the country. Whether this matters for the mothership is another story.

It's not illegal to head a subsidiary of a company that did bad things, but I'm sure he will be intensely questioned. If he did something illegal, he may be punished.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by actionfromafar »

owebmaster wrote: post #611
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #546

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What would raiding the office achieve in this case apart from just showing off power.

Enforcing the law usually is an inhibitor for criminals

But, isn't that bad for the criminals?

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Post by direwolf20 »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #225
niemandhier wrote: post #221

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If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.

A raid with a warrant skips all that.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by expedition32 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #572
anonymous908213 wrote: post #571

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Punishing kids after the fact does not stop the damage from occurring. Nothing can stop the damage that has already occurred, but if you stop the source of the nudes, you can stop future damage from occurring to even more girls.

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Nobody wants to ban AI they want to regulate it. Which is what we do with all new technology.

To paraphrase "your tech bros were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they never considered if they should"

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

why_at wrote: post #207
verdverm wrote: post #123

France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

>The Paris prosecutor's office said it launched the investigation after being contacted by a lawmaker alleging that biased algorithms in X were likely to have distorted the operation of an automated data processing system. I'm not at all familiar with French law, and I don't have any sympathy for Elon Musk or X. That said, is this a crime? Distorted the operation how? By making their chatbot more likely to say stupid…

GDPR has some stuff about biased algorithms. It's all civil, of course, no prison time for that, just fines.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ReptileMan »

mnewme wrote: post #676
ReptileMan wrote: post #655

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I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

I agree that users who break the law must be prosecuted. But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design. We already apply this logic elsewhere. Car makers must include seatbelts. Pharma companies must ensure safety. Platforms must moderate illegal content. Responsibility is shared when the risk is systemic.

>But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design.

Platforms moderating illegal content is exactly what we are arguing about, so you can't use it as an argument.

The rest cases you list are harms to the people using the tools/products. It is not harms that people using the tools inflict on third parties.

We are literally arguing about 3d printer control two topics downstream. 3d printers in theory can be used for CSAM too. So we should totally ban them - right? So are pencils, paper, lasers, drawing tablets.

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