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Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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EVs are becoming commoditized. Tesla doesn’t have the scale ( or experience ) to play that angle.

literally what are the gigafactories for then?

At the moment most of them are running notably below capacity.

Tesla's growth plan originally had them doing factory expansions and new factory in Mexico by now, but instead they have pivoted to trying to keep utilization of their existing lines up by introducing cheaper trims of existing vehicles.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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I am confused about what Tesla is doing. They have effectively two automobile products now with one failed product (cybertruck). reading various articles about this doesn't make it more clear. Do they not want to be a car company?

The two flagship as best selling cars in the world. S and X were low volume cars to get started.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

#683

Pretty sad seeing people take pleasure in the company failing. See past your opinion about it's leader. At the end of the day, it's the company that brought vehicle electrification to the masses and has acted cash cow for SpaceX, Starlink and Neuralink.

Is Tesla really failing? They have $40 billion cash at hand. More than some legacy automobile market cap.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

#685

Pretty sad seeing people take pleasure in the company failing. See past your opinion about it's leader. At the end of the day, it's the company that brought vehicle electrification to the masses and has acted cash cow for SpaceX, Starlink and Neuralink.

Not nearly as sad as people getting emotionally invested in corporations.

Add why should anyone look past their opinions about the leader?

We have the saying “the fish rots from the head” for a good reason. Tesla has been rotten ever since Elon got involved.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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The linked article is clear as to why the S and X don’t need to be in Tesla’s product line > Tesla’s far more popular models are the 3 and Y, which accounted for 97% of the company’s 1.59 million deliveries last year

Why are they still making the cybertruck then? I see way more Model S and X than Cybertruck.

Regardless, it's probably better to have one flashy car that doesn't sell big numbers than 3. They might treat it as their high end test car or something or plan to figure out a new top tier model.

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How can you say camera only navigation won’t work with such finality when humans manage just fine every day! You literally have an existence proof of it working.

~1.2 million global deaths per year due to motor vehicle accidents say otherwise.

Actually, that's the standard we're all talking about. Nearly everyone is totally fine with human-caused traffic deaths. Nobody wants to ban human drivers at that rate of death.

But if FSD had the same rate, people would be losing it.

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So he milked Tesla for another $2B to subsidize xAI, has dropped the models to 2 (3 and Y), revenue is down, growth is negative, BYD is eating Tesla for lunch, followed by the other CN and KR vehicle companies. He doesn't have FSD, camera only navigation without sensor fusion with LIDAR will fail, the only thing keeping Tesla where it is is the bullshit dispersal field that surrounds Musk.

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Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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It’s being valued on the hope that they will crack full self driving. People still believe they will crack it.

Meanwhile Waymo has actually cracked self driving, and is operating a fleet of taxis. Tesla said they were going to do this at least as far back as like 2018, and still aren’t. They’re being beaten on every front.

> Tesla said they were going to do this at least as far back as like 2018, and still aren’t.

Tesla Robotaxis are fully operating in Austin since November and they are running a pilot in San Francisco with safety drivers?

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-opens-robotaxi-access-to-eve...

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

#690

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How can you say camera only navigation won’t work with such finality when humans manage just fine every day! You literally have an existence proof of it working.

The safety record of humans is not so great. They tend to fail in snow, ice, fog, rain and at night. We should be aiming a little higher. I don’t think it makes sense to limit yourself while you are still figuring out what really works. You should go with a maximum of sensors and once it works, you can see what can be left out.

Yeah, but even if the safety level was 10% better, let's say--nobody would accept that rate. It wouldn't get adopted, we wouldn't be happy to save those lives. People would be outraged.

I think it's got something to do with an innate belief to self-determination. It's fine if I make a mistake to kill myself, and it's not fine if someone else does. It's super not fine if someone dies at the hands of a rich person's technology. Outrage, lawsuits, "justice."

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