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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by sambuccid »

nbardy wrote: post #624

They should probably fund their military first. It’s petulant the way the EU is throwing a hissy fit after we’ve had lop-sided trade deals for years and funding the entire NATO alliance ourselves. They act like we’re going to war with them when we’re asking for parity and for their self reliance to increase.

That's because not everyone thinks that the trade deals were lop-sided, and it's difficult to objectively determine if they are, given that trade deals are just another lever in the relationship between 2 countries, one lever among millions of levers, one that is constantly calibrated and moved depending on the other ones. In a system like this I think it's pretty difficult to say who's getting more and who's getting less. But Trump doesn't care what is true of false, so for him it's easy to just say what suits him best.

Regarding the war, I can assure you that Trump not excluding to take Greenland my force has been seen by the EU as threat of starting a war, giving that Greenland is part of the EU. Also applying tariffs when European NATO countries sent some troops in Greenland has been perceived as: "Trump wanted to invade Greenland, he felt like EU countries wanted to defend it, so he imposed tariffs because he wanted to invade".

I'm not saying everyone in EU is thinking this, but I think a lot of people did, and this is some context for you to try and understand europe's point of view.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by michaelsshaw »

skc wrote: post #660

The irony of building 'sovereign' software on top of Windows and MacOS. Without a hardware or OS pivot, this feels less like independence and more like empty posturing.

The French government has its own version of Ubuntu, used by law enforcent, and is supposedly slated to be used by all agencies in 2027.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tsoukase »

The reflex to bind Europe's IT with OSS is due to several factors, like Linus Torvalds being Finnish, Arch and SUSE having a European leadership, NEXT and OpenCloud started by German hands and an absence of a unicorn IT company in EU.

Relying on OSS in continental level is a blessing and a curse. It can scale very well to an homogenous basis but it might not be organised well in national and regional level due to poor economic motivation. The good scenario is a development of a modified Linux kernel, named like Europix, with a userland consisting of a full packet of OS apps, interoperable and secure in public and private level. The private companies can earn public contracts for support.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by alias_neo »

edwcross wrote: post #632
alias_neo wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And here's the app, Visio That UI looks suspiciously similar to Jitsi Meet. I wonder if it's based on it.

It says "powered by LiveKit": https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

It's not really clear to me what livekit is, but it appears to be some sort of agentic coding tool.

Perhaps the similarity to Jitsi Meet is due to it regurgitating the source that an AI has ingested.

The code base looks very different but a lot of the same terminology is used and the UI layout, navigation, menu options etc look very similar.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by michaelsshaw »

tsoukase wrote: post #371

"Nobody Ever Got Fired For Buying Microsoft". Same for Oracle and AWS, until a year ago. Before the current insanity, Europe whould become independent like never. Now, it will take about a decade, IF the insanity continues in the next presidential terms.

I think it's a bit of a Pandora's box issue. Their eyes are now open to the very real, no longer hypothetical, threat. There's no going back.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tim333 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #410
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point is the USA has been complaining that the EU was/is reducing itself to a vassal. No matter what the USA said or did before they didn't seem to care that they had no power anymore because the USA was there to take care of them. The EU can't realign itself with China because that would destroy the last fragile bits of the EU economy that are left. They are already having issues with the excess supply lan…

No, the USA does not, in any way, and has never wanted or even accepted EU countries being independent. They wanted the EU to spend more on US weaponry, and maybe on their own - but would have vehemently opposed any attempt by any EU country to buy Russian, Chinese, Iranian or any such weaponry. They want the EU to stop regulating American companies, but they certainly don't want EU companies being too successful in…

I'm not sure that's how it is. Sure NATO countries aren't keen on any of the members being reliant on weapons from potential NATO enemies, for example Turkey buying Russian S-400s but it doesn't mean the countries aren't mostly independent.

Likewise NATO countries aren't keen if one of their members gets a leader who rolls out the red carpet to the Russians and threatens to invade other NATO states. It's not like all the members have to do what the US likes.

Here's a Danish vassal MEP saying "Mr Trump, fuck off" https://youtu.be/hASG-hQgk-4

I see the Turks have now changed their mind on the S-400s and I hope the red carpet for Putin folk change at some point too.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ben_w »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #453
comonoid wrote: post #322

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Switching gas providers is more difficult than switching from Zoom to Google Meet or other alternative.

I think building an entire software stack that works is probably harder than buying more expensive gas from a different country

Even starting from scratch with the software, I'd make the opposite bet. Imported energy on the scale of nations a lot of expensive physical hardware. Given the numbers people throw around when talking about upgrading the electrical grid, think trillions*.

Software also has the potential to be made by forking open source projects. That Canonical Ltd. (London) has Ubuntu is already a decent foundation, a wheel that probably doesn't need to be fully re-invented.

* ironically, one of my hobby-hills on green energy is that I have noticed that a genuinely global electrical grid fat enough to get resistance down to 1 Ω the long way around, would only cost a few hundred billion in aluminium. Currently only China makes enough to consider it, but still, the BOM for such a project is much less than the price of all the manpower needed for the last 100 miles.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by aa-jv »

kettlecorn wrote: post #558
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

The decades long level of trust in the US and its institutions was unprecedented and built off of the tremendous goodwill and momentum post WW2. It was an unusually high degree of trust, and now it's unusually low. Even if the US reverses its policies it will take a very long time to rebuild trust, and even then the historical warning marker of the Trump admin will be studied as a reason to never return to the prior…

Trump is not the reason for the current disdain for the American state - he is merely the latest excuse that Americans make for the disastrous state of their country.

The rest of the world started being disaffected by America's actions in 2003, when it launched an illegal war based on utter lies, which murdered 5% of Iraqs' population.

This act and the following acts of war and funding of terrorist groups that the American empire decided was 'necessary' for its survival, have been noticed by the rest of the world, even while Americans' themselves do not have the temerity to confront the issue.

Blaming Trump is just another excuse Americans make for the mess that has been being made by their state for decades before he walked down some elevator somewhere.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by astrolx »

palata wrote: post #580
astrolx wrote: post #291

I work at a French research institute and our Zoom contract ends soon so we get to switch to Visio. It's not too bad but quite tier below Zoom. Noise cancellation is not great, being browser based also comes with limitations, in half my meetings people don't manage to find the permissions to allow mic and/or webcam ...

> in half my meetings people don't manage to find the permissions to allow mic and/or webcam They will learn :-)

Judging by the amount of people who still suck at Zoom or Teams after 6 years ... I am not that sure :)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by LunaSea »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #29
fcarraldo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

AWS offers subpar services for their price too
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