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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by bigyabai »

hwguy45 wrote: post #679
carlosft wrote: post #672

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There is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets. We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.

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> discouraging local law enforcement support of federal law enforcement.

Strawman. You can't blame ICE's failure to sustain due process on local law enforcement, even if you think they're against you. Their hands are clean because they avoided cooperating with ICE.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JohnnyMarcone »

hwguy45 wrote: post #679
carlosft wrote: post #672

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There is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets. We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

Fnoord wrote: post #536
charcircuit wrote: post #305

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I feel "people should not have have consequences for what they say", and "people should be able to avoid consequences for what they have done", are separate concepts. One does not require believing in the other. For example I believe the former, but for the latter I believe everyone should be punished when they break the law.

> I feel "people should not have have consequences for what they say", and "people should be able to avoid consequences for what they have done", are separate concepts. 'Saying' is an example of 'doing', and the moderation to speech happens after the fact, including (yes) in USA. Consider the case of a person yelling fire or 'he's got a gun!' when there is none, or a death threat.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

daveguy wrote: post #652
nailer wrote: post #625

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Do you have reports of serious incidents between members of the public and federal agents in Florida as you allege or are you just on HN to insult people but not actually respond to their arguments? If so, what happened?

Plenty of credible reports of ICE dipshits using force on peaceful protesters. Florida tools are just too busy licking boot to be out peacefully protetsing. Keep on licking, tool.

So it seems you agree, you just calls people interfering with federal law enforcement 'peaceful protesters', and then throw around the expected insults.

Why do you think the people violently trying to stop enforcement of the law the government was democratically elected to enforce aren’t the "boot"?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by sethherr »

hwguy45 wrote: post #674
mikeyouse wrote: post #636

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ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid FFS. And no, there’s absolutely no evidence they’re getting access to Medicaid. They’re single mindedly looking for undocumented immigrants to deport.

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Not true. NYTimes had reported on it

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

cthalupa wrote: post #617
charcircuit wrote: post #356

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There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust. >the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.

> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Yes, we are seeing a destruction of order in MN. US citizens being terrorized by ICE and CBP agents with 47 days of training, no understanding of the legal limits of their authority, and no consequences when they go beyond those limits. But that's not being caused by people pushing back against the beginnings of autocracy. That's being caus…

ICE is bringing order to the country as they are law enforcement.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

phatfish wrote: post #384
Rodeoclash wrote: post #290

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The older I get the more disconnected I feel from some of the posters on this site. I can't remember exactly when I joined, 2012ish maybe? But the takes people have seem to be getting wilder and wilder.

Most users here are American, have you seen what is happening in America? The funny (sad) thing is all the hot takes about the UK or Europe being a "police state" because porn is being blocked for kids, or persistent abuse on social media actually has repercussion (as it does in the real world already). Meanwhile ICE are murdering US citizens in the streets. Turns out American "free speech" doesn't prevent an authori…

Lucy Connolly was imprisoned for about a year in the UK for posting an inflammatory anti-immigration social media post which was deemed illegal under UK law, and is currently being threatened (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157938/lucy-connolly-pris... ) with being returned to jail for posting social media content attacking the current UK government.

This is hardly the only example of the UK, or other Anglophone democracies, criminalizing speech with actual prison time. I'm not happy with UK laws trying to block VPNs under the pretense of blocking porn for minors either.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cthalupa »

rlt wrote: post #540
AngryData wrote: post #528

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"the firearm may discharge when it is dropped and the back of the slide hits the ground at a 33-degree angle" That is pretty hard to accomplish while its in a holster unless the guy was suplexed and his entire spine turned to jello giving the gun a multi-foot uncushioned drop. "misfire was due to "a partial depression of the trigger by a foreign object combined with simultaneous movement of the slide" Which is irrele…

If it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster. If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun. I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.

The person who starts shooting him has full visibility of the gun the entire time.

Even if he doesn't realize it is a misfire, why would he believe that it was Pretti who shot? How can you reasonably believe a dude that is dogpiled with a gun not in his control is the shooter?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jacquesm »

instagraham wrote: post #678
jacquesm wrote: post #668

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I think in part this is because it would require them to admit that they've been had, which is even worse than to have to admit you're a terrible person. Being terrible is one thing, most people can handle that. Being so utterly dumb that you've been carrying water against your own country and effectively are in every sense of the word a useful idiot is a thing most people would shy away from. Psychology is weird. As…

In some sense, it is a part of one's identity, for one can't easily separate the worldview from the person. But we enter a strange era when your identity is challenged and remoulded by a non-human entity. People have always derived a tribal sense of belonging from a set of worldviews, but these views are now perpetuated by robots. These anti-immigration or anti-brown or post-renaissance worldviews are lived by very f…

I don't think it is a tangent at all, it just underlines the principle in even more stark ways than the other ones do: tribalism is a very powerful button to press and we're in an era now where you can be a 'tribe of one' with your mentality manipulated by extremely personalized targeting to steer you in a particular direction, no matter where you were born or what your original affiliations are.

It will take extreme mental fortitude and some degree of self isolation not to be pulled in. When I was 15 the peer pressure to start smoking, drinking and using drugs was absolutely off the charts. I stopped going to parties, basically. Until I was 13 or 14 or so it was ok and then from one moment to the next it stopped being fun. People don't like being confronted with their own idiocy and just having one reminder in a roomful of people that you're doing something stupid is apparently enough to become really aggressive against that person. Better if it isn't just you, so the first enlist some of your buddies.

That experience really helped me in many ways.

People in large groups are far more stupid than individuals, and the internet has tied people together into all kinds of weird large groups that reinforce their worst belief systems.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

chowchowchow wrote: post #469
charcircuit wrote: post #371

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>This is systematically not true as citizens can not be legally deported. And yet. >If someone is not a citizen and are here illegally they should be removed, no matter their intentions. If you are willing to break the law to stay here, I personally don't want them back in the country. Without even getting into the subject of kids who are brought here.. I just have to say, why? Immigrants are net contributors in the…

>just have to say, why?

Those who disrespect my countries law do not deserve to benefit from my great country.

>Immigrants are net contributors in the US

This would not change my opinion one way or the other.

>are attempting to follow the rules

Well they clearly aren't trying hard enough if they are in the country without a proper visa.

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