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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by driverdan »

harrisonjackson wrote: post #298

I've owned a few F-150s over the last 20is years. It has the best fold up seats of any truck - entire back cabin floor is flat which is great for my dogs. I rented a lightning on Turo and it was amazing - planned on getting one as my next truck. I would drive a CT depending on price but they just draw too much attention.

> I would drive a CT depending on price but they just draw too much attention.

That's your deciding factor? Not all of the other things wrong with it and the brand?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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grouchomarx wrote: post #20
billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by ac29 »

mdavid626 wrote: post #257
Workaccount2 wrote: post #227

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In your typical 475km EV sedan, you would only need about 20 minutes of charging to do that 700km. This is why I am like a broken record repeating that EV misconceptions kill EVs. You are applying gas car logic to electric cars, which is what people do, and stops them from getting an EV. But it's wrong.

Are you assuming 250kW chargers? …and cars which can charge that fast? Renault 5 EV charges with 11kW. This is the size of car I need.

> Renault 5 EV charges with 11kW. This is the size of car I need.

AC only EVs dont exist in the US market any more AFAIK. Looking at the Renault 5 models currently available in the UK market, they dont have any AC only models either (maybe they do in other countries though).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

evan_ wrote: post #563
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #379

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If you just use it as a pick up a few times a year, it could be worth it. I have furniture that I want to get rid of, and if I had a pick up I would have done it already.

you can just rent a u-haul for $35 or whatever the four times a year you need it

U-haul doesn't offer those in my location. The only place that would work is home depot, but honestly its a prep so I haven't bothered yet.

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Post by daemonologist »

analog31 wrote: post #679
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #674

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I have a 2018 Forester and it holds a surprising amount of furniture or 8' lumber. My only regret is that it won't fit 4x8 sheet materials well - if only they had designed the interior plastic cladding a little better it would be a great workhorse.

I remember my 1982 Toyota Corolla wagon had an obvious cut-out in the plastic interior, that was just a hair wider than a 4x8 sheet. I still miss that car.

Yep, my parents had an old Honda Odyssey (minivan) that exactly fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood. Comical that some pickups can't quite measure up.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

wffurr wrote: post #413
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #363

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I think the problem is Trucks are a visible lifestyle preferences that does not align with yours.

You can have all the weird lifestyle preferences you want that don't involve conspicuous waste of natural resources and accelerating anthropogenic climate change.

It’s very hard to not see how any resource using activity falls in that bucket including: boating, shopping, having kids, going on vacation, having a home, ordering exotic things, eating at restaurants, using AI, etc.

The primary limiter is on how many resources we give people.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by neogodless »

ashtonbaker wrote: post #198
Workaccount2 wrote: post #133

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Range is the misconception, because people view range through the "sit and fill up then drive till empty" paradigm. That is not how EVs work or how they should be used. They should be charged overnight/when you are doing something else, and on road trips should be charged to align with other stops even if those stops are 10 minutes. It's rare that I have ever done the "sit in the car for 40 minutes waiting for charge…

I actually leased a Kia EV6 recently without too much research into the charging situation, assuming that in 2025 it was probably pretty well figured out, and I could just do as you propose and just charge in small bursts at the grocery store etc. But: - It didn't come with a home charger at all. They're not cheap. - It came with a J1772 adapter, but no CCS adapter. The car itself has NACS. So I'm limited to Tesla su…

> You need to create 10 different accounts with a bunch of terrible apps

I've admittedly only used public fast charging twice in my year of EV ownership, and both times, I used a credit card at the machine. No app.

The two were EVGo and ElectrifyAmerica. I don't know if the other ten brands require an app ;)

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by neogodless »

nikcub wrote: post #61
mdavid626 wrote: post #22

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I disagree that EV-s are held back by misconceptions. More their price and range.

Resale value is starting to ward some people off. You can buy 1-2 year old used Teslas and BYD's in Australia for ~30% below retail. Meanwhile Toyota hybrids not just retain their value but there have been moments where used RAV4's are listed above retail because the waitlist for new was so long.

This makes me laugh. We're early on the curve, but yeah you can get amazing deals.

Bought a $67K Polestar 2 with 20K miles on it for $29K.

So yeah, depreciation keeps me from buying $67K new cars (regardless of their powertrain.)

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Post by ac29 »

alistairSH wrote: post #249
IncreasePosts wrote: post #138

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I actually enjoy doing road trips in my tesla more so than in ICEs, because of the forced breaks. With ICEs, stops would be either for food or for bathroom breaks. A lot of times just eating in the car while driving. But for a 10 hour drive I am forced to take 4 20 minute stops - so once every 2 hours. This ends up making me feel a lot better at the end of the trip and also gives you "guilt free" time to enjoy a rand…

For me, it's some intermediate trips where the EV really "fails" (though admittedly the gap closes every year and the use case below is basically a worst case scenario short of trying to tow trailer on the same route). A common trip for me is DC -> Dolly Sods WV for camping. Less than 3 hours drive time each way, about 150 miles. I only need to stop for gas once during the trip and for only as long as the tank takes…

> In an EV, that ~6 hour round-trip takes about 9 hours due to 2 hours of charging and a 60 mile detour. That's using ABRP, with an Ioniq 5 from Reston VA to Dolly Sods Wilderness and back

That a fairly dead area of the country charger wise but I see several CCS chargers <5 miles out of the way and a lot more if your Ioniq has NACS.

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