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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by throwforfeds »

neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

I'm the same, I haven't lived in a house with a TV since I left my parent's house at 18 (I'm in my 40s now) and whenever I'm in someones house with one on I'm just flabbergasted that people watch things that look like they do on their TVs.

I was at my parent's house the other day for Christmas and tried to start watching Wong Kar-wai's Blossoms Shanghai, but the TV made everything look so terrible that I couldn't continue with it. I was having a hard time figuring out what was just from his style and what was whatever crap the TV was trying to do to it on it's own. I'm amazed people don't realize things just look like shit on their TVs now?

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Post by scuff3d »

iknowstuff wrote: post #627

The 120Hz / "soap opera effect" is a matter of perspective. I hate the judder and blur during 30Hz camera pans. Love interpolated smoothness.

It seems to be different for everyone. My wife and her Dad don't even notice the smoothing affect. It drives me and my brother absolutely fucking nuts on the other hand. It makes things basically unwatchable for me, it's so distracting.

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Post by epistasis »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #233
szszrk wrote: post #212

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> Maybe you're using the internal speakers? Which is just another drama that should not be on consumers shoulders. Every time I visit friends with newer TV than mine I am floored by how bad their speakers are. Even the same brand and price-range. Plus the "AI sound" settings (often on by default) are really bad. I'd love to swap my old tv as it shows it's age, but spending a lot of money on a new one that can't play…

Just buy a decent external surround sound system, has nothing to do with the TV and will last a long long time.

I really don't want to install multiple new devices. I don't care about the cost, the inconvenience and hassle is a PITA. Plus then you had to fiddle with multiple volume controls instead of one to make it work for your space.

No thank you. We should make the default work well, and if people want a sound optimized experience that requires 6x the pieces of equipment let those who want to do the extra work do what they need to for the small change in audio quality.

Without that change in defaults more and more people will switch to alternatives, like TikTok and YouTube, that bother to get understandability as the default rather than as something requiring hours of work and shopping choices.

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Post by Avamander »

mancerayder wrote: post #429
rtpg wrote: post #98

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I have the same sound issues with a lot of stuff, my current theory at this point is that TVs have gotten bigger and we're further away from them but speakers have stayed kinda shitty... but things are being mixed by people using headphones or otherwise good sound equipment it's very funny how when watching a movie on my macbook pro it's better for me to just use HDMI for the video to my TV but keep on using my MBP s…

I have a relatively high end speaker setup (Focal Chora bookshelves and a Rotel stereo receiver all connected to the PC and AppleTV via optical cable) and I suffer from the muffled dialogue situation. I end up with subtitles, and I thought I was going deaf.

I strongly recommend you try adding a center channel to your viewing setup, also a subwoofer if you have the space. I had issues with clarity until I did that.

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Post by epistasis »

School-Cotton wrote: post #298
KeplerBoy wrote: post #279

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Couldn't they be miles better if we allowed screens to be thicker than a few millimeters? I believe one could do some fun stuff with waveguides and beam steering behind the screen if we had 2 inch thick screens. Unfortunately decent audio is harder to market and showcase in a bestbuy than a "vivid" screen.

Anyone who cares about audio will have dedicated speakers, so it barely even makes sense to make TV speakers good.

Everyone cares about hearing the words. Those who care about hearing nuanced and buy extra sound equipment are a distinct and much much much smaller set of viewers. Yet only tha smaller set seems to be able to get decent results.

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Post by Avamander »

epistasis wrote: post #684
throw-12-16 wrote: post #233

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Just buy a decent external surround sound system, has nothing to do with the TV and will last a long long time.

I really don't want to install multiple new devices. I don't care about the cost, the inconvenience and hassle is a PITA. Plus then you had to fiddle with multiple volume controls instead of one to make it work for your space. No thank you. We should make the default work well, and if people want a sound optimized experience that requires 6x the pieces of equipment let those who want to do the extra work do what they…

> Plus then you had to fiddle with multiple volume controls instead of one to make it work for your space.

Most AVRs come with an automatic calibration option. Though there are cheap 5.1 options on the market that will get results multiple times better than your flatscreen can produce.

> We should make the default work well

Yep, movies should have properly mastered stereo mixes not just dumb downmixes from surround that will be muddy, muffled and with awful variations in loudness.

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Post by olyjohn »

SilasX wrote: post #550
0_____0 wrote: post #479

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I wonder if there's a video equivalent to the Yamaha NS-10[1], a studio monitor (audio) that (simplifying) sounds bad enough that audio engineers reckon if they can make the mix sound good on them, they'll sound alright on just about anything. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10

Probably not, or they don't go by it, since there seems to be a massive problem with people being unable to hear dialogue well enough to not need subtitles. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37218711 It was a real eye(ear?)-opener to watch Seinfeld on Netflix and suddenly have no problem understanding what they're saying. They solved the problem before, they just ... unsolved it.

My favorite thing about Kodi is an audio setting that boosts the center channel. Since most speech comes through that, it generally just turns up the voices, and the music and sound effects stay at the same level. It's a godsend. Also another great reason to have a nice backup collection on a hard drive.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pixl97 wrote: post #568
drdec wrote: post #481

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Showing a unit price on the label is a requirement of US law.

Which unit is the fun game that gets played. I've seen way to many products right beside each other that use different measurements.

Most people will have devices that can easily convert measurements to the desired unit.

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Post by gchamonlive »

mkozlows wrote: post #638
gchamonlive wrote: post #537

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On my LG OLED I think it looks bad. Whites are off and I feel like the colours are squashed. Might be more accurate, but it's bad for me. I prefer to use standard, disable everything and put the white balance on neutral, neither cold nor warm.

The whites in Filmmaker Mode are not off. They'll look warm to you if you're used to the too-blue settings, but they're completely and measurably correct. I'd suggest living with it for a while; if you do, you'll quickly get used to it, and then going to the "standard" (sic) setting will look too blue.

The problem is that comparing to all the monitors I have, specifically the one in my Lenovo Yoga OLED that is supposed to be very accurate, whites are very warm in filmmaker mode. What's that about?
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