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Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Actually there are two type of comments: "it's not hacking" and "it's malicious compliance". That makes of 90% of what's here, split about 50/50.

And now we have our third! A meta-analysis of the HN comment chain!

You're welcome.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#682

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You could easily replace them with an LLM if that were the case. Although I don’t completely disagree with your cynical take I don’t think that’s actually the case for most of the Guardians journalists, they do a lot of quality reporting too

The journalist should have used the LLM to explain how this wasn’t a hack but a common mistake made by untrained workers.

And the lawyers should have used an LLM to perform a first pass of the redactions and methods of redaction.

Going forward the full stack of perpetrators, unindicted coconspirators, lawyers, judges, legislators, journalists, editors, fact checkers, ... it'll all be LLM all the way down such that nothing will be trustable save something akin to Stephenson's gargoyles and Flock cameras for which people will conduct spectacles to shape the salience landscape.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#683

It sets a bad precedent to call things like this hacks. Firstly, calling this redaction implies that the data is missing, and calling what was done "unredacting" is akin to saying someone "decrypted" a cryptographic hash function. Nobody unredacted anything here, they merely discovered that it hadn't been redacted, and simply looked like it was redacted. Calling this a hack places responsibility on the people who dis…

Ok, we've un-with-hacksed the title above.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#684
I tried to reproduce this - turns out the affected files weren't in the data sets recently released, but other files on the DOJ site (now taken down).

I guess the big take-away is scrape everything ASAP when it comes out. I haven't found any meaningful differences yet, but file hashes are different in the published data set zip files available today versus when Archive.org took a snapshot a few days ago.

I did write a bit of a tool which will detect and log and dump the text of affected PDF's, since redacting via drawing black boxes as well as using dark-colored highlights are both programmatically detectable. Pretty trivial to do so. Happy Holidays for anyone else who has the day off!

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Lots of loyalists have replaced people there. It's for sure incompetence.

There are hundreds of thousands of documents being reviewed by probably a thousand or more FBI agents. There is zero chance they are all loyalists.

The pool of competence was still diluted

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#687

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Yeah, the idea that proves it's fraudulent has been debunked, but the alternative hasn't been proven, either. Nobody has named the specific OCR software that does this destructive replacement. It's a case of "well, there's an alterastive theory, and that's good enough" debunking.

Not sure what you mean by destructive replacement, since nothing is destroyed. So I just looked into this, and it's specifically Mixed Raster Content pipeline (ISO/IEC 16485) used in lots of different scanners. There's no need to find which specific software generated it because it's used by lots of them. It's a technique used to attempt to isolate font characters of the same size and style as separate layers before…

So this program really doesn't keep the original image of the document as a raster layer? That's kind of surprising, especially if it's used in the legal world. Personally, I'd always want to be able to recover the original document from the OCR layers. Or, are you saying you can? Then you should tell snopes, because it'll make the snopes article a lot shorter if they can just lead with that.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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This has happened so many times I feel like the DoJ must have some sort of standardised redaction pipeline to prevent it by now. Assuming they do, why wasn't it used?

Of course there is a process. There was also a process on how to communicate top secret information, but these idiots prefered to use signal. I'm completly lost on how you can be surprised by this at all? Trump is in there, tells some FBI faboon to black everything out, they collect a group of people they can find and start going through these files as fast as they can. "When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't b…

> some FBI faboon

I'm not familiar with the term, and Urban Dictionary only has "fake babboon" which I suspect is not the intent here - what does it mean?

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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I would consider it gross negligence on the journalists part to not know the technical details here. It’s really not that hard; as someone else on this thread pointed out even my grandma knows this… You can find out the technical details in one quick search. How someone like this gets a paying job as a journalist is beyond me.

>How someone like this gets a paying job as a journalist is beyond me. You seem highly confused on what a journalists job is in this era. Very few publishers are about correctness. It's about speed of getting the article out and getting as many eyeballs as possible to look at the ads in the article. Or as the saying goes, A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on.

But there is a more-powerful combo we’re beginning to see: journalists can take a story and prompt their way into a list of missing perspectives. The Lindbergh baby, for example.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#690

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - Napoleon Bonaparte Let all the files get released first. Then show your hacks.

The whole thing is just too suspicious. Too good to be true. What's the chance of this being some 4D chess where the government has already edited the files, and then presented them as redacted so the "unredacted (but edited)" version looks more genuine?

> What's the chance of this being some 4D chess where the government has already edited the files, and then presented them as redacted so the "unredacted (but edited)" version looks more genuine?

With how they have pushed out any career public servants who were good at their jobs in favor of sycophants and loyalists, I'm not sure government organizations are still capable of playing 4D chess, if they ever were.

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