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Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by tyre »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #654
throwaway150 wrote: post #455

It is us, developers, who convinced our management to purchase GitHub Enterprise to be our forge. We didn't pay any heed to the values of software freedom. A closed source, proprietary software had good features. We saw that and convinced our management to purchase it. Never mind what cost it would impose in the future when the good software gets bad owners. Never mind that there were alternatives that were inferior…

> learn from our mistakes and convince our teams and management to use community-maintained, libre alternatives Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub. Nobody in business cares if it's open source/free software. They care about managed hosting, centralized services, invoicing, etc. DIY is great for hobbyists and the cash-strapped.

Yeah I can't see a better alternative to GitHub.

OSS can build truly incredible libraries and frameworks. User facing products? ehhhhh not so much.

GitHub has gotten worse over the years but it's not like there's some gold standard open source alternative. And remember, early GH was filled with a pretty amazing group of developers and open source advocates.

If the counter is that, instead of buying github, we could have invested in building some other tool, well, that's not how this works. People need to build what the company is actually building for its users.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by shykes »

sofixa wrote: post #679
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> learn from our mistakes and convince our teams and management to use community-maintained, libre alternatives Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub. Nobody in business cares if it's open source/free software. They care about managed hosting, centralized services, invoicing, etc. DIY is great for hobbyists and the cash-strapped.

> Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub Interesting, my experience has been the opposite. 99% of companies I've seen self host their VCS, it has been Gitlab (with some rare sel-hosted GitHub Enterprise everyone seems to hate, and the very rare Bitbucket). To be fair most of them started with it when Gitlab was really really ahead, features wise. The gap has so…

Are you based in Europe? Gitlab has a much stronger presence there. In the US Gitlab adoption is much weaker in my experience.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by sofixa »

shykes wrote: post #682
sofixa wrote: post #679

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub Interesting, my experience has been the opposite. 99% of companies I've seen self host their VCS, it has been Gitlab (with some rare sel-hosted GitHub Enterprise everyone seems to hate, and the very rare Bitbucket). To be fair most of them started with it when Gitlab was really really ahead, features wise. The gap has so…

Are you based in Europe? Gitlab has a much stronger presence there. In the US Gitlab adoption is much weaker in my experience.

Yep, but I interact with companies all over the world, and while American ones tend to not self-host (in general, but VCS in particular), out of those that do, Gitlab still seems more popular.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by nacozarina »

sofixa wrote: post #679
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> learn from our mistakes and convince our teams and management to use community-maintained, libre alternatives Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub. Nobody in business cares if it's open source/free software. They care about managed hosting, centralized services, invoicing, etc. DIY is great for hobbyists and the cash-strapped.

> Every company I've been at that tried to self-host something like GitLab, later moved to GitHub Interesting, my experience has been the opposite. 99% of companies I've seen self host their VCS, it has been Gitlab (with some rare sel-hosted GitHub Enterprise everyone seems to hate, and the very rare Bitbucket). To be fair most of them started with it when Gitlab was really really ahead, features wise. The gap has so…

I’ve setup self-hosted gitlab configs for multiple projects and it works fine.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by ablob »

Schnitz wrote: post #601
throwaway150 wrote: post #455

It is us, developers, who convinced our management to purchase GitHub Enterprise to be our forge. We didn't pay any heed to the values of software freedom. A closed source, proprietary software had good features. We saw that and convinced our management to purchase it. Never mind what cost it would impose in the future when the good software gets bad owners. Never mind that there were alternatives that were inferior…

GitHub isn’t even good, it’s just the mediocre default everybody uses. PRs were fantastic and the best thing ever - 15 years ago!

Without trying to sound snarky: What is the fancy alternative you are suggesting to pull requests?

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by NamlchakKhandro »

Schnitz wrote: post #601
throwaway150 wrote: post #455

It is us, developers, who convinced our management to purchase GitHub Enterprise to be our forge. We didn't pay any heed to the values of software freedom. A closed source, proprietary software had good features. We saw that and convinced our management to purchase it. Never mind what cost it would impose in the future when the good software gets bad owners. Never mind that there were alternatives that were inferior…

GitHub isn’t even good, it’s just the mediocre default everybody uses. PRs were fantastic and the best thing ever - 15 years ago!

100% don't understand why people think github actions are terrible.

everything else is trash.

Github Actions changed the landscape.

They're composable.

The only two other things that come close is Concourse.CI and CircleCi.... and circle-ci is 100% trash

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by jerdthenerd »

ic_fly2 wrote: post #680
Nextgrid wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Takes like these do not account for the value you gained by using the software in the meantime. Here are 2 scenarios: 1) company uses exclusively free software, spends more time dealing with the shortcomings of said software than developing product, product is half baked and doesn't sell well, company dies. 2) company uses proprietary but cheap/free (as in beer) software that does the job really well, focuses on deve…

The first part is wrong, it’s a question of org size. A lot of large orgs hand roll a lot of these things, they call it developer excellence. And your last paragraph hits the nail on the head, people are afraid to run their own software.

While I agree with the spirit of your statement "people are afraid to run their own software", I feel like this assumes that people are the ones choosing the software they run. I wish my teams could run more things ourselves, but are told no by our systems and infrastructure staff.

Any self hosted service in an enterprise means that you're dealing with all the headaches that come with that including: backups, user/role creation and mapping maintenance, infrastructure scaling needs, OTEL or other monitoring, etc.

It's an easier decision for VPs to pay GitHub anything less than the man hours required to execute the above tasks because it's a "not our problem" fee.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by dijit »

scott_w wrote: post #676
throwaway150 wrote: post #455

It is us, developers, who convinced our management to purchase GitHub Enterprise to be our forge. We didn't pay any heed to the values of software freedom. A closed source, proprietary software had good features. We saw that and convinced our management to purchase it. Never mind what cost it would impose in the future when the good software gets bad owners. Never mind that there were alternatives that were inferior…

Whatever your issues with the price, this comment is truly wild. When you’re using commercial PyCharm, you’re paying JetBrains to “run their software on your hardware.”

paying for the time the debugger is active would feel bad though.
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