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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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So what is your plan on dealing with wikipedia? I accessed porn in 2011 when I was 11. I played Postal 2 when I was 10. But no English skills at that age means not much came out of that game at that time except cat silencers. How many kids these days play 18+ rated games?

> So what is your plan on dealing with wikipedia? Im not sure I understand. Are you saying wikipedia has porn?

Yes. It even has articles dedicated to specific sex positions. I definitely looked at those articles fairly often as a young teen.

But should I need to upload an ID to view that? I guess some people think North Korea has the right mindset with information control, so showing an ID to see who's seeing what makes sense. But I'm not of that mindset.

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> It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online. No proposal/implementation that I'm aware of (maybe outside of China, but I'm not familiar enough) that actually conditionally does so based on preconditions and blocks you from actions. It would pro…

> How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online. Can someone revoke your ability to prove your identity? To pick an example, say, the far right wins an election and decides that trans people need to go back to their birth genders, and revokes the validity for the identifiers of anyone that has transitioned.

This has already happened without digital ID ?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I was with you until your 3rd paragraph. Why are you carrying water for climate change accelerationists and racists? The examples don't even make sense historically. Haven't you noticed that most governments are failing to decarbonize, and government force against citizens is usually against the left?

Because in a free country you have the right to be a climate skeptic and a racist? Being a racist is mostly useless and self-serving, but if you make any particular scientific position illegal, it's identical to having state defined science. That's how we got people passing bills to define pi and Lysenkoism. It's how we institutionalized chattel slavery and sometimes teaching black people to read punishable by death.…

>The goal of government should be summarize the beliefs of a fully-informed public in order to act on their behalf.

I fully agree with your position here, but do you think the government has a roll in making sure the public is not misled or believes things that "experts" consider to be false? Do you think expert opinions should carry more weight that the average Joe?

I think my position is that the government is a tool we, the taxpayer, should use to investigate things and educate us of its findings. That this should be done in an open and transparent way so that we can trust the results. I don't think for profit companies should responsible for educating people. (sorry for the tangent)

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> is better solved by improved education From the article, this has nothing to do with education. It's: > The app is mainly designed to help users block and track lost or stolen smartphones across all telecom networks, using a central registry. It also lets them identify, and disconnect, fraudulent mobile connections. If your phone gets stolen, you can disable it. I'm not saying that a government app is necessarily t…

> And as long as the app isn't otherwise spying on you (and there's no mention of that)

I think the correlation between "spying" and "saying that you're spying" is 0 or negative

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Have you even been to Ukraine lately? you can walk on the streets of Kyiv and there is so many men walking on the streets without getting picked up. I've been walking the street as a man and and from the looks of it you can't tell if I'm a foreigner or a Ukrainian and I never been stopped and they never tried to conscript me. Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. But it's just an exaggeration cl…

>Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. It's not that they get conscripted that's the problem, it's that people are being chased and violently thrown into vans of the street without any kind of warning or check of conscription status beforehand, Which I argued is proof the government doesn't need any kind of digital ID to oppress you.. There's video evidence of such events online, check X and Tel…

Video evidence is not a good standard anymore. This isn't the Iraq war where you can see the people who dress different and have a different skin color are the "enemy"

Russia has faked videos in the past even prior to the whole video Gen AI slop.

I will believe it when someone reputable runs a good investigation and does some real journalism rather than just sourcing Russian propaganda and suggesting reality is some lovecraftian nightmare

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped. Source?

This from Newsweek in 2022 about Sweden. https://www.newsweek.com/people-get-microchips-implanted-tha... "In 2017, a railway company in Sweden began allowing travelers to load their ticket information onto the microchips implanted in their bodies, according to BBC News. Railway conductors were then able to use smartphones to detect the chip and confirm the travelers' tickets."

This has nothing to do with the "state microchipping people" this is biohackers loading NFC train tickets onto a chip they chose to have implanted? The level of intellectual dishonesty is gross. You don't have to have an NFC chip and even if you did how would that be any more of a UUID than a LIDAR scan of your face?

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Indeed, but I inferred the meaning of "something racist [in the judgement of the authorities]".

Racists deserve free speech, and our society is better for it. When racists are silenced, anti-racists become complacent, stupid, and ironically, racist because they lose the ability to recognize racism. Defend everyone's free speech. Don't require the necessity of unfair accusations. The destruction of people's lives over unfair accusations is simply a failure of due process and the desire of people to join a mob fo…

Free speech is a circular right.

One is free to say racist things. Others are free to mock them in return.

Racists are not free from consequences. If they don't like others freely expressing themselves in return, at the rhetorical and emotional expense of the racist, racists can freely express themselves in their home.

You're advocating a very reductive approach to free speech.

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The President doesn't have that much power in the US. Head of the executive, yes, but that's it. And what has he done? Enforced immigration laws according to written law? Reorganized the executive branch? He can't pass any laws by himself. The judiciary can overturn his executive orders.

How about stacked the supreme court with sycophants (at least one of which has been caught taking bribes) whereby allowing his gross violations of the law to be tolerated on appeal to the supreme court (legal eagle has a great video on this). And then bullied executive who dare disagree with him (e.g. jan 6 commission, and his first impeachment) and even perform completely baseless criminal investigations that (e.g.…

> He now wields enough scary-factor that even though we have handwritten proof of his involvement with Eepstein that his own party is too cowardly to impeach him or even release the files

I think they're only cowardly because each elected individual's goal is to survive long enough to get a sweet exit deal. Voting to impeach Trump is the correct thing to do (blatant corruption, violation of due processes, etc.), but it will surely lessen their chances of reelection.

I think Congress is full of a bunch of individuals trying to maximize personal gain agnostic of the outcome for the country, but I'm not sure how to realign the incentives to fix that.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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The developers of this app have a @ gmail.com mailbox listed as the support contact.

And they claim to protect people from fraud / phishing / scams.

> https://x.com/shantanugoel/status/1995874411543671208

>> sanchaarsaathi.dot AT gmail dot com >> broadbandmission AT gmail dot com

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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What actions are being taken against legal immigrants and naturally born citizens? Are you referring to getting arrested and released due to some suspicion (let’s say the suspicion is always fabricated for the sake of argument), or deported, or something else? On due process, if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country, that totally sucks and they should be paid compensation, but let’s not pretend…

> if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country It's practically a vacation, you're right. I really don't know what they're complaining about /s > think the Germans of the ‘30s would have a very different reputation if they had simply attempted to deport all the Jews... There's no way you've just written that. I urgently suggest you to pick a history book.

There is quite a lot of daylight between “something to complain about” and “authoritarian regime”. I never said they had “nothing to complain about”.

I’m not trying to convince anyone that there isn’t authoritarian regime behavior happening. I am just trying to figure out what people are talking about when they refer to that as if it is happening.

I am using “Germans of the ‘30s” as a euphemism. Obviously I know the timeline of what happened, you are just misinterpreting as an opportunistic drama nitpick. Whether the misinterpretation is happening consciously or subconsciously, I don’t know.

If the “Germans of the ‘30s” had only ever done deportations, which they did do, i.e. had they stopped there, we would not view them in the same way. Ergo, if the current regime stops with deportations, which we have no evidence to show that they won’t, then there is nothing to suggest that they will end up behaving in an authoritarian way, because further massive steps are required to get there. And besides, the current American regime has tremendously more legal justification for these deportations than the Nazis had for the Jews deportation. The Nazis presumably had to change German law to even deport the Jews. No change of law is required here, because it is perfectly congruent with the existing legal framework (and was done consistently for decades prior to this administration, just more quietly and I guess in smaller numbers).

It’s weird how slippery slope arguments are only valid in public discourse when it comes to the Nazis, and in that case it’s so valid it is just taken as a fact. Just because someone is doing something that can be squinted at to look like something that happened prior to a genocide, does not mean that it will lead to genocide. The ad absurdum version of this line of thinking would suggest banning vegetarianism or painting, as genocidal mania soon followed.

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