How is one country able to fine businesses in other countries? What legal authority or ability do they have to do anything?
In agreement. What's with the fines. They're not in your jurisdiction, block them or leave them.
Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#682How do you "pull out" of the UK if you are not a UK company, you are a US company, hosted in the US, and proxied by Fastly. There's nothing to do? You do not need to abide by UK laws, even if your website is accessible from there.
It means to stop doing business there. For example selling ads targeting UK users to UK advertisers. London banking. Integrating with UK-based data-milking peers.
So if a site doesn't monetise adult content. The UK can't impose fines? Only eventually force ISPs to block that site?
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"Serving a particular market" is ridiculous. Just adding Paypal to your website should not require you to understand 200 odd legal jurisdictions. This needs to end asap.
If I sell a product to a US citizen I have to pay US income tax despite not being in the US, my business not being in the US, and not creating the product in the US. I then have to hope the US has a tax treaty with my country in order to attempt to recoup the costs. Is that fair?
No thats also stupid.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#684We desperately need an Antarctica/Moon style extraterritoriality for the internet. Just tell your citizens that the internet is fair game? Why restrict it to this level and make using the internet the same as having to understand the law in 200 odd countries.
There's always distributed web3 type stuff.
The goal should be to avoid being constantly under attack.
The fight with government is a losing one. We make better protocols, they break the device. We send the data offshore, they make treaties.
Ultimately we need a permanent win before the door shuts completely. The exhaustion in industries and groups that have been fighting this fight for decades is palpable.
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You are probably talking about the YouGov poll. The poll asked a clearly leading question IMO. You can get any result you want by asking leading questions on polling. This was of course satirised by Yes Minister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA I can counter any of the iffy polls by simple point to the official online petitions service. There were a huge number of signatures to revoke OSA and two million…
The Bristol young lib dems oppose it, but the parliamentary party doesn't think it goes far enough. The Bristol lot are great, I talked to them about it, but they're unlikely to change things on the national level.
That is unfortunate to hear. I don't really care for any of the political parties in the UK and tell them exactly what I think of them when they knock on my door.
I wouldn't trust them in young LibDems in Bristol either. Doesn't matter if they seem nice or not. Lots of young politicians have nice ideas and over time they either end up as bad as the ones they are replacing, they are forced out or leave of their own accord and then complain about it on a podcast.
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Eh - for the world's audiences: EU is not Europe. I geddit how/why why people equate eu == europe - it would simplify things for all, one niggle less to consider. But - it ain't so, for better or worse. There are countries in Europe, that can't be members of the European Union, or could be, but don't want to be members. (e.g. UK, probably Island, Switzerland, some of the Nordics) There are no countries in the Europea…
> probably Island ?
Iceland - sorry for the confusion. (poor spelling)
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At this point, the UK government is beyond shaming. On the contrary, it shame and record-breaking unpopularity seems to empower them. I wouldn't put it passed them to require the digital ID to access the internet passed curfew.
Something that I think normal, decent people don't appreciate enough: you can join an organization without believing a word of what it stands for. It's perfectly possible to just pretend. It doesn't take a ton of resources or a big coordinated conspiracy to join and betray an organization, it just takes a bit of self-confidence, or chutzpah. One person I believe knows this, is Keir Starmer. It's very hard to explain…
The Starmer Cabinet's entire history points to the fact they they were engineered to take over in order to deliver 2 things:
1. The Holocaust of Gaza
2. A red carpet for Foreign Agent Traitor Langley Farage to take over.
If they cared about the country - they don't, they have complete contempt for the public - they would step down, dissolve the party and those in the party with a remaining qubit of morality put their efforts into atoning for their sins and crimes against freedom by working to get a Green/YP/LibDem coalition elected.
Every day they lolligag with this dead party is another vote for Reform - they know this.
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They could have insisted websites include something like a TXT record saying they are "for over 18s only". Or even come up with a standard saying "this website is suitable for under 18s" under a dns record. Then the bill payer can enable or disable access for three categories * Under 18s * Over 18s * Unknown as they are the bill payer and entering into a credit agreement requires you to be over 18. If you wanted belt…
> include something like a TXT record The people writing these laws don't know about DNS. This isn't really relevant because what is considered "suitable for under 18s" varies wildly per country. Some countries ban rainbow flags, others will happily sell alcohol to 16-year-olds. Plus, 99.99% of websites don't care about this and will be blocked by default if you block the "unknown" category. Grandma isn't going to ca…
The UK has a standard list of sites that need to be flagged "over 18 only in the uk", that's the list of sites that will need to be added to a list which ISPs can block by default.
Putting the onus on the ISPs operating in the UK rather than the sites operating globally is much easier to implement than trying to enforce your laws on foreign companies.
That's if you want the outcome to block a certain list of sites by default.
As you say in reality we already have that. The question thus is what's the real point of the move, because it's not to stop 15 year olds jacking off.
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This always appeared to me to be quite similar to serving UK tourists say in Thailand. Should that make massage parlors subject to UK law?
I think "UK citizen" should have been replaced by "person acting from within the UK". This is how it is defined in the context of GDPR - the nationality doesn't matter, what matters is where you are when you are provided services.
This seems to apply to persons acting from geoblocked UK/EU through VPN as well, which makes no sense at all.
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Are you arguing that people who are against this law and its implementation in the UK are against it because they're addicted to porn?
Yes. There are legitimate reasons to dislike the law, its implementation, or its impact on privacy. But 99% of people dislike it simply because they are heavily addicted to porn. The fact there have been much more privacy invasive laws introduced in the UK over the last decade which face little widespread outrage is the tell.
It's hard to keep this conversation in good faith if you're just gonna throw in some statistic you just made up.