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Humanities biggest ever wealth storing thing is literally a ROCK

Yeah, because rocks EXIST. If gold loses its speculative value, you still have a very heavy, extremely conductive, corrosion resistant, malleable metal with substantial cultural importance. When crypto collapses, you have literally nothing . It is supported entirely and exclusively by its value to speculators who only buy so that they can resell for profit and never intend to use it.

Well, not literally nothing. You have all that lovely carbon you burned to generate meaningless hashes polluting your biosphere for the next century. That part stays around long after crypto collapses.

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The benefit outweighs the lack of privacy. I just uploaded recent blood tests and other health info into ChatGPT and then had it analyze what I could do to improve my health, specifically cholesterol and sugar. Then asked it to red team its advice and provide me with one or two things that would generate 80% of the results. It's pretty awesome having a private doctor that's read every study out there and then can gen…

So what did it suggest?

"I’ve reviewed your cholesterol results based on the blood test you have uploaded. Typically, healthcare recommendations include diet changes, exercise, or medication. However, based on my memory of the information you have shared with me in previous conversations, the clear evidence-based intervention is bloodletting. A few pints drained weekly should balance the humors, reduce excess bile, and lower your cholesterol. Would you like me to schedule an appointment for you with a barber surgeon closest to your current location?"

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LLMs are increasingly part of intimate conversations. That proximity lets them learn how to manipulate minds. We must stop treating humans as uniquely mysterious. An unfettered market for attention and persuasion will encourage people to willingly harm their own mental lives. Think social medias are bad now? Children exposed to personalized LLMs will grow up inside many tiny, tailored realities. In a decade we may me…

> In a decade we may meet people who seem to inhabit alternate universes because they’ve shared so little with others.

I get what you're saying here, but all of these mechanisms exist already. Many people are already desperate for attention in a world where they won't get any. Many of them already turn to the internet and invest an outsized portion of their trust with people they don't know.

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This is not what I want from LLMs. Hey ChatGPT or Claude, I have still have clothes in the dryer and dishes in the sink. Do you mind taking care of those for me?

Now, that is something I'd pay hundreds a month for.

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> The problem is, there are very few if any other studies. Not at all, the METR study just got a ton of attention. There are tons out there at much larger scales, almost all of them showing significant productivity boosts for various measures of "productivity". If you stick to the standard of "Randomly controlled trials on real-world tasks" here are a few: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4945566 (…

Thank you! > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbDDYKRFjhk (from Stanford, not an RCT, but the largest scale with actual commits from 100K developers across 600+ companies, and tries to account for reworking AI output. Same guys behind the "ghost engineers" story.) I like this one a lot, though I just skimmed through it. At 11:58 they talk about what many find correlates with their personal experience. It talks about e…

Yeah that's why I like that one too, they address a number of points that come up in AI-related discussions. E.g. they even find negative productivity (-5%) in legacy / non-popular languages, which aligns with what a lot of folks here report.

However even these levels are surprising to me. One of my common refrains is that harnessing AI effectively has a deceptively steep learning curve, and often individuals need to figure out for themselves what works best for them and their current project. Took me many months, personally.

Yet many of these studies show immediate boosts in productivity, hinting that even novice AI users are seeing significant improvements. Many of the engineers involved didn't even get additional training, so it's likely a lot of them simply used the autocompletion features and never even touched the powerful chat-based features. Furthermore, current workflows, codebases and tools are not suited for this new modality.

As things are figured out and adopted, I expect we'll see even more gains.

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The "you only think you're more productive" argument is tiresome. Yes, I know for sure that I'm more productive. There's nothing uncertain about it. Does it lead to other problems? No doubt, but claiming my productivity gains are imaginary is not serious. I've seen a lot of people who previously touted that it doesn't work at all use that study as a way to move the goalpost and pretend they've been right all along.

OK, so it sounds like this is a 'I know for certain I can't code without AI and that I get nothing coherent done, and now I'm doing the greatest things all the time, so you're demonstrably wrong!' argument. I would ask, then, if you're qualified to evaluate that what 'you' are doing now is what you think it is? Writing off 'does it lead to other problems' with 'no doubt, but' feels like something to watch closely. I…

No, incorrect observation. I've been programming professionally longer than I've had my HN account.

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I lol'd at this. And he eats babies! Yea, humans tend to optimize for their own individual success. Do you not?

> Do you not? At the expense of and with complete disregard for others, while telling them I’m doing it altruistically for their own good? I don’t, no. Do you?

Hrmmm.

Engaging in wild character assassination (ie. spewing hate on the internet) in return for emotional upvote validation...I would argue is a great example of what you just described.

I don't doubt you've convinced yourself you're commenting these things altruistically.

But remember, when high school girls spread rumors that the good-looking popular girl has loose morals, they aren't doing it out of concern for public good.

They're hoping to elevate their own status by tearing down the competition, and avoiding the pain of comparison by placing themselves on a higher moral pedestal.

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The design of that study is pretty bad, and as a result it doesn't end up actually showing what it claims to show / what people claim it does. https://www.fightforthehuman.com/are-developers-slowed-down-...

I don't think there is anything factually wrong with this criticism, but it largely rehashes caveats that are already well explored in the original paper, which goes through unusual lengths to clearly explain many ways the study is flawed. The study gets so much attention since it's one of the few studies on the topic with this level of rigor on real-world scenarios, and it explains why previous studies or anecdotes…

> it largely rehashes caveats that are already well explored in the original paper, which goes through unusual lengths to clearly explain many ways the study is flawed. ... The study gets so much attention since it's one of the few studies on the topic with this level of rigor on real-world scenarios,

Yes, but most people don't seem aware of those caveats, and this is a good summary of them, and I think it does undercut the "level of rigour" of the study. Additionally, some of what the article points out is not explicitly acknowledged and connected by the study itself.

For instance, if you actually split up the tasks by type, some tasks show a speed up and some show a slowdown, and the qualitative comments by developers about where they thought AI was good/bad aligned very well with which saw what results.

Or (iirc) the fact that the task timing was per task, but developer's post hoc assessments were a prediction of how much they thought they were sped up on average across all tasks, meaning it's not really comparing the same things when comparing how developers felt vs how things actually went.

Or the fact that developers were actually no less accurate in predicting times to task completion overall wrt to AI vs non-AI.

> and it explains why previous studies or anecdotes may have claimed perceived increases in productivity even if there wasn't any actual increases.

Framing it that way assumes as an already established fact that needs to be explained that AI does not provide more productivity Which actually demonstrates, inadvertently, why the study is so popular! People want it to be true, so even if the study is so chock full of caveats that it can't really prove that fact let alone explain it, people appeal to it anyway.

> It clearly sets a standard that we can't just ask people if they felt more productive

Like we do for literally every other technological tool we use in software?

> (or they need to feel massively more productive to clearly overcome this bias).

All of this assumes a definition of productivity that's based on time per work unit done, instead of perhaps the amount of effort required to get a unit of work done, or the extra time for testing, documentation, shoring up edge cases, polishing features, that better tools allow. Or the ability to overcome dread and procrastination that comes from dealing with rote, boilerplate tasks. AI makes me so much more productive that friends and my wife have commented on it explicitly without needing to be prompted, for a lot of reasons.

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Yesterday was a full one — you powered through a lot and kept yourself moving at a fast pace. Might I recommend starting your day with a smooth and creamy Starbucks(tm) Iced Matcha Latte? I can place the order and have it delivered to your doorstep.

The scary point is when it gets good enough that people start to like and appreciate the embedded ads...

I am hearing people with this standpoint more often while discussing privacy. Especially in people that work in marketing. They think they are helping the world discover novel products that they would otherwise miss out on. So, they also appreciate the invasive, no privacy practices of ad companies in their lives.

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#690

LLMs are increasingly part of intimate conversations. That proximity lets them learn how to manipulate minds. We must stop treating humans as uniquely mysterious. An unfettered market for attention and persuasion will encourage people to willingly harm their own mental lives. Think social medias are bad now? Children exposed to personalized LLMs will grow up inside many tiny, tailored realities. In a decade we may me…

> Children exposed to personalized LLMs will grow up inside many tiny, tailored realities. It's like the verbal equivalent of The Veldt by Ray Bradbury.[0] [0] https://www.libraryofshortstories.com/onlinereader/the-veldt

The moral of this story is that if you install a really good TV the animals will come out of it and eat you? Is the author a dog?
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