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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by behnamoh »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #409
bez00m wrote: post #149

As someone who also sees this kind of messages fairly often, I always wondered about companies/individuals who voluntarily (not being forced by law, that's another story) block their users by IPs coming from bad countries... The message always goes along the lines of "you're murderer and rapist, we hate you". I still need to find a person who managed to change their political stance after seeing something similar. I…

> As someone who also sees this kind of messages fairly often, I always wondered about companies/individuals who voluntarily (not being forced by law, that's another story) block their users by IPs coming from bad countries... As a service owner currently looking at adding widescale blocks based on location... it's not a global business, so the downside of blocking an entire country is functionally zero and the upsid…

If someone from Iran wants to do DDoS attacks they probably know enough to change their own IP to somewhere else so your blocking Iranian IPs is basically futile.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by marcosdumay »

tpm wrote: post #323
lbreakjai wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's especially objectionable and condescending since the author of the blog comes from a democratic country selling weapons to a genocidal state, as are most of us here.

Iran is much less democratic than the US and the rest of the Western world. 158th from 179 entries here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Dem_Democracy_Indices

Good, looking at data.

Now search what happened to the Iran's democracy in the 70s and why their redemocratization stopped in the 90s.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by fennecbutt »

adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

Do we have to still use the phrase "pounding-in-the-ass" when the general sense of it has been proven untrue and not particularly as common as people would think. I guess rape jokes are just funny when they're about certain people.

Same thing with "sod" still being in common usage. Pretty bizarre to be allowed to get married in some countries now but there's still all these historical bits and pieces.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #679
nmilo wrote: post #655

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This the exact same as the email from the post, but the other way around. Either both normal Iranians are responsible for arming Russians and normal Americans are responsible for sanctions, or neither are. In general I don’t like blaming people for the actions of their government.

The US is a democracy, so Americans are, at least on a collective level, responsible for the actions of their government, though not on an individual level of course. Iran is a theocratic autocracy. Only the autocrat and his supporters bear any significant responsibility for the actions of the government there.

The US is not a democracy, by design. It’s a Constitutional Republic.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by fennecbutt »

N_Lens wrote: post #561
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

Just a casual “pound-me-in-the-ass prison” top comment on HN (no this type of prison isn’t civilized or the mark of a mature criminal justice system or society).

Totally agree. But tbf you look at modern media and these things are still perpetuated. Just look at violence done on camera and off camera in TV shows and to whom. Which jokes are made and about whom - many don't even notice because it's so acceptable to treat a class, gender, etc a certain way that it doesn't even cross anybody's mind.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by fennecbutt »

adastra22 wrote: post #58
notjosh wrote: post #47

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your comment is helpful context, especially as a foreigner. but would you be able to edit the "pounding in the ass" phrase out in future when referring to prison? thank you <3

Your comment is understandable as a foreigner! Look up our federal prison system sometime. The description is apt. You either kill someone, or become someone's bitch on the first day, then you'll be alright. (It's an Office Space reference, btw, but our prisons are genuinely inhumane and not rehabilitative.)

No you do not. Provide sources for your information. Making these jokes about prison rape, not as common an occurrence as you'd think, is offensive.

The only reason it's funny is because the subject of these jokes are men (so nobody cares), are engaging in something considered "gay" (which is gross and funny ha ha ewwww).

I don't expect things to change but I'd fight in that war if there was one.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

lukan wrote: post #329
tgma wrote: post #299

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The Democrats in the US have Superdelegates effectively vetoing candidates. So is the media and funding apparatus and the deep state by holding potential blackmail material. To be clear, I am not defending their system. I am suggesting democracy is not a panacea that automatically guarantees prosperity. Far from it.

"I am suggesting democracy is not a panacea that automatically guarantees prosperity. Far from it." No, but I would say it is a precondition for broad prosperity. When the wealth and power lies concentrated with small minority, they tend to use their power to keep it that way. If power is distributed, so will be the wealth usually. And yes, I do see some problems with western democracies as well.

I don't think that is necessarily true. First, I don't agree with the implicit premise of your statement, i.e. that democracy does not lead to concentration of power. Second, I don’t think it has been a requirement throughout history.

Rule of law is much more important to success and prosperity than fetishizing a mechanism to vote in the head of state. There has been many successful instances of prosperous monarchy in Iran and elsewhere throughout history. The rich Persian Gulf states are prosperous monarchies. Iran was too, a constitutional monarchy, uprooted by Islamic-Marxist ideology partially in the name of “social democracy,” as if that’s a virtuous goal. What they ended up is Mullah. Chaos and tyranny, as Hamilton and Adams would predict.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by marcosdumay »

Draiken wrote: post #328
randomNumber7 wrote: post #143

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The only real way to withdraw consent would be political violence. The key upside of democracy imo is then that most people do not see a reason to use violence; They can vote and never need to withdraw consent that extremely.

And we rarely see meaningful change anywhere because electing politicians is barely connected to the actual outcomes people want. Now we have a pacified populace that allows corruption to run freely and keeps repeating "violence is never the answer" while forgetting meaningful change almost always requires it. Never forget we wouldn't even have weekends if people hadn't died for it. I wish we never needed violence bu…

> keeps repeating "violence is never the answer" while forgetting meaningful change almost always requires it.

It's a bit paradoxical, but almost all real change is done by the threat of violence, and almost none of it is achieved by applying violence.

But you are right that as people more radically reject violence, democracy dies and changes stop. Even though violence almost never achieves anything.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by fennecbutt »

adastra22 wrote: post #113
yawpitch wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reply to that comment is understandable as an American… in that you got your understanding of your own prison system from your own popular media. Also in the assumption that a foreigner would or could get an Office Space reference, unless they live in a country America has already successfully culturally colonized. The point is that the homophobic trope doesn’t add anything to the information given, while it doe…

Three points on that. First, in this context the popular image, not reality, is what actually matters. Why do people not risk breaking sanctions? Because they don't want to risk prison. Why do Americans fear prison so much? Because of how it is represented in popular media, true or not. Second, sexual violence in American prisons is a very real concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_Stat...…

Homophobic trope because it's acceptable to joke about prison rape specifically, when the victim involved is a man.

Why don't you see people openly joke about regular rape on HN? Why is a joke about regular rape not a phrase acceptable on here? In the same vein as the 2000s gaming "oh man I'm getting raped over here". Oh yes, because it's considered disgusting and offensive.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by marcosdumay »

barrenko wrote: post #6
OccamsMirror wrote: post #2

It must be really frustrating be on the receiving end of sanctions. The ugly truth about sanctions is that they punish the people more than the aristocracy. But they're still better than wars.

The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership. And if your're someone sliding into nasty leadership / government situation you have to realize there will be a consequence to that and that the perception of the ruling party can never be separated from the perception of the people.

> The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership.

After the CIA and the US foreign policy had so much trouble overthrowing the old one and putting that one in place?

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