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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

Both the Palestinian people and Jewish people are indigenous to Israel/Palestine.

No one side has the right to commit genocide against the other. At some point, there will have to be a two state solution.

The current Israeli government is indeed genocidal. Cabinet ministers have referred to the Palestinian people as a whole (not just Hamas) as an enemy and the IDF is carrying out the genocide.

This also means that by proxy the US is funding the military of a genocidal regime.

Just as providing Hamas with weapons is a terrible idea, giving them to Israel in its current state is an equally terrible idea.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by kharak »

_l7dh wrote: post #618
flyinglizard wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UN discredits itself: UNGA 2015-2023, 154 resolutions against Israel, 71 against all other countries _combined_. Of course it stems from the anti-Israeli bias of its members: a single Jewish state against 57 Muslim states.

the number one cause of child mortality today is Israel.

That is an insane comment.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by mnw21cam »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #194
actionfromafar wrote: post #83

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One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani gov…

Let's imagine that a political opposition leader from Russia were to take refuge in the US. Now imagine that Russia performed a "surgical strike" bombing in the US to kill what they viewed as a terrorist leader. Can you imagine the outrage that would occur? That's exactly the situation that Qatar has just experienced.

It's an act of war. One country bombing another country means they are at war.

Now, the power dynamics in this region mean that they'll probably get away with it, and Qatar is more likely to let it slip than not, but it's still morally reprehensible.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by j_maffe »

Aeolun wrote: post #680
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #669

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I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

> It's being abused. Downvoting on HN doesn’t go lower than -4. If it’s used as a method of censorship, and you care about internet points, then you practically have to post nothing else useful to make it work.

Yes but it hides the comment for most users. This is of course besides the flagging abuse which outright delists websites.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by adastra22 »

nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #669
dluan wrote: post #525

Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by adastra22 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #634
King-Aaron wrote: post #629

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From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

The theory I've been operating under is that Israel was created as a pretty bad solution to displaced Jews post-WWII, and operates essentially as a vassal state of the US's commercial military interests as a totally intractable perma-war in the region to ensure that even in lieu of other conflict taxpayer money can continuously be laundered to them in the form of expended munitions. There's obviously a lot more going…

Israel wasn't created from nothing post-WW2. It was already 50 years into building a jewish state in first the Ottoman Empire and then British Palestine. Holocaust refugees, although symbolically important, were never a large portion of Israel's immigrant population.

The UN declaration was recognition of reality on the ground. And was, btw, rejected by the Arab parties and doesn't carry the force of international law. Israel declared its independence irregardless of the resolution the following year.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by nakamoto_damacy »

adastra22 wrote: post #687
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse.

Genocide is not complicated.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by mjburgess »

l2silver wrote: post #438

I see a lot of comments here are about how other countries should react to this designation, rightfully so. I wonder also though, how Israel will react. Is this anything new for them?

I think at the moment a term like "genocide" is still floating free from the reality of what that term means.

Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0

I think after that I can't imagine the question, "will this impact israel?" makes any sense. They're deliberately perpetrating a genocide. It's real. It's the deliberate and systematic murder of two million people. I dont see the sense in asking: will the murderers care?

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