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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by timuckun »

kokanee wrote: post #589
rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

Does google collect more information than Apple, Meta, Microsoft, OpenAI, Palantir etc?

I don't think so. Collecting data is a baseline for all those companies, you have to rank the evil they do with that data.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by corytheboyd »

GitHub was such a cool product of its time, the complete epitome of ridiculous SV tech companies. The Oval Office. The whiskey library. A room full of swag. A product ubiquitously known by every nerd in the bay, then, world. I didn’t work there, but it was cool to be around it in SF at the time. Always sad to see them fall apart (yes yes I know it’s been happening for a long time)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by positron26 »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

Much as it was all true and a lot of us were there, Microsoft moved on and so must open source. These aren't the Bobs anymore.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

gmueckl wrote: post #435
meindnoch wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

Holy shite what I just read. It's like telling people: mafioso people are not so bad, they keep the streets clean and there is discipline around the city. They only pickpocket the foreigners...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by [deleted] »

davepeck wrote: post #106

Am I the only one who found Dohmke’s communication style to be… buzzword forward? For a company whose roots were in pragmatic engineering, I always felt that there was a too-heavy component of hype, particularly around AI, in pretty much every recent public announcement. Yet, despite all the rhetoric and GitHub’s superior position in the industry, they failed to capture the current AI editor market. Structurally, it…

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

7thpower wrote: post #678
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This is bullshit, the Zune was great and was doing incredibly well, at least around here. It was THE device to have, people were going crazy for them; there was enough pent up demand that people were breaking windows and sliding into cars to get them. I still miss that thing.

At least in Germany at the time of the release of the various Zune generations, Zune was both hated by hipsters for not being "fashionable" (these users strongly preferred iPods), and by free software advocates (who were very vocal at the time, and also had at that time much more influence on the sentiment and feelings of "average users" than today) for its in-built DRM system.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by on_the_train »

jhallenworld wrote: post #549
IshKebab wrote: post #67

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You mean all of Microsoft's direction? Look at how VSCode changelogs have morphed from editing features to 90% AI.

Awesome, this is creating an opportunity for a new text editor. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Zed also turned into ai slob already

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

bee_rider wrote: post #143
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best.

This love for Apple seems to be a very US-American thing.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

asveikau wrote: post #430
Philadelphia wrote: post #419

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Mac OS 8 was new in 1997 and was pretty innovative for user-facing features, if not the underlying operating system. It blew Windows 98 out of the water as far as that went.

I was around at the time. Mac OS 8 had no preemptive multitasking or meaningful address space protections. A single bad pointer dereference in user mode took down the entire system, and a single busy loop without a yield locked up the entire system. Both of these were universally admitted to be bad and outdated by technically minded people. By 1997 they had looked at replacing it with BeOS or NEXTSTEP, and purchased…

> It did take them two more releases to make it into the consumer product.

Rather: It took them two more releases until they offered a version that had a price tag (setting the price was a conscious decision by Microsoft) that made a Windows NT derivate also affordable to non-professional users.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by cholantesh »

pge wrote: post #639
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

I would add to your list that MSFT also makes decent hardware now - surface laptops and xbox have both done well

Xbox has done so well that they ravaged the division that oversees it.
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