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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by exe34 »

arunabha wrote: post #542
mjevans wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

> Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist Funny, this seems to be a pretty accurate description of Netanyahu's current position. He understands that he exists politically only as long as he can keep the war going. So, of course there is going to be no end to the 'war' against Hamas, even though it has transformed into mass genocide of civilians using starvatio…

Replacing Bibi won't suddenly make Hamas stop working to kill Israelis.

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Post by mda »

beepbopboopp wrote: post #373
cm2012 wrote: post #339

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One could certainly argue about methods, but on October 8th, what options did Israel have except invasion of Gaza?

This, but further more, there are 100s of comments about "the genocide" here, but almost none about what Israel should do. They have a neighbor who just committed a huge act of terror and whos standing installed political party calls for the elimination of the country. They live in a region where their ethnic group has essentially been wiped out systematically in all neighboring countries. So, "Stop the genocide" and…

Stop the genocide. Then, don't start the genocide. Not very hard. Do you really think there are / were no other options? Think harder.

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

josephg wrote: post #466
wredcoll wrote: post #292

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> I have no problem with the initial invasion of Gaza to stop Hamas and get their people back. I’m not sorry for saying so, or holding that position after Hamas gave them such a clear casus belli. But it doesn’t seem to be about that any more. The point is that you were told this was the inevitable consequences of such actions and yet chose to ignore it. That's probably the kind of mea culpa they're looking for. Pred…

That logic cuts both ways. We could equally say that this overreaction by Israel was entirely predictable - and inevitable - after Hamas’s murderous rampage on Oct 7. And to take hostages and not return them? What did they think Israel would do? Capitulate to Hamas’s demands, thereby encouraging Hamas to do the same thing again every few months when they want treats? Invasion was perhaps the only option the Israelis…

>That logic cuts both ways.

What both ways are you talking about? GP is arguing on behalf of those who were called antisemites because they stated “international community should rein in Israel to prevent them to commit atrocities because of rage”, and your response seems to be “well atrocities were given because Hamas”.

This is exactly why this “mea culpa” rings hollow. People who apparently condemn the reaction will tumble on their own arguments to excuse the same actions.

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Post by throwawaybob420 »

tome wrote: post #668
tomhow wrote: post #422

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There is a lot of ideologically motivated flagging of comments from all sides. We're trying to go through and unkill reasonable comments, but it's a slow process. You could help by vouching the ones that are not breaking the guidelines, and also by not posting comments that break the guidelines yourself.

I think this is probably a sign that you shouldn't allow these posts on HN, despite the rationale posted by dang in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44718396 If the flagging is such that one point of view is represented ad nauseam and the other point of view is barely represented due to flagging pile on, then it's not actually contributing to discourse at all -- it's just an echo chamber. That does not fit in wit…

lol. Yeah what’s really valuable in HN is the onslaught of cheap marketing posts talking about AI. Not about genocide

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by misja111 »

dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

There's an offer from Hamas on the table for a total ceasefire and release of all hostages. The solution is to accept it. If at any point Hamas will break the agreement, Israel is free to attack again.

Some people seem to believe that eliminating the entire Gaza population is the solution. Either by deportation, or simply by killing all of them. There is a German word for such a solution, 'Endlösung'. We don't want that again.

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Post by actionfromafar »

ars wrote: post #619
actionfromafar wrote: post #462

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Can you present any factual basis for these completely wild claims?

Is it really that hard? Go see the stats on how much food GHF distributed, then add in the UN brings in (which never stopped). Then go look at photos of fat healthy people holding starving kids, and wonder how that's even possible. If you read interviews (and I have) you'll get your answer: the food is very unevenly distributed, the strong have stolen it from the weak.

Which never stopped? Another wild claim.

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Post by sudopluto »

ismail wrote: post #679
mjevans wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

Think about it from a logical perspective. Apartheid South Africa’s real enemy—the ANC, the liberation movements, the “terrorists”—wouldn’t stop and wouldn’t surrender until white minority rule and its entire system didn’t exist. They had taken the innocent Black civilians of South Africa hostage. They were also so ingrained into the townships that resources were literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like church…

wait wait waittttttt

from your analogue, you are mixing things up.

- ANC = palestinian nationalists

- south african majority = palestinians

- afrikaners = ottoman / british

- other minorities, ex: indians = zionists

south africa is not a good analogue since it's fate is different from that of palestine, and you are making this obtuse analogue to stir up feelings of decolonisation as a sort of nationalism

www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

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Post by misja111 »

orbisvicis wrote: post #433

What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?

If you check a map of Gaza and the GHF distribution locations, you will see that there are only 3 distribution points in entire Gaza. So in an area that hosts 2 million people.

What's more, none of those 3 points are in the 2 area's that are appointed by Israel as safe havens. So they are not where most Gazans live. Which means they have to travel long distances to get food, through an area where they are considered free game by the IDF.

> how else would Gazans eat?

Have more distribution points, distributing more food, and inside the area's where Gazans live

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Post by [deleted] »

ivape wrote: post #347
YZF wrote: post #247

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I'm in the same camp tbh. I think Israel should not be putting all of Gaza under siege. It's not moral. This will also not work because the Hamas doesn't care about Gazans. It's also not helping Israel (other than some internal politics between Netanyahu and his right wing extremists). Totally agree on people need to be able to change their minds based on new data and as the situation changes. I'm personally constant…

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Post by oezi »

geysersam wrote: post #311
churchill wrote: post #3

Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…

> And this has eliminated the whole Western bullshit about human rights maximalism That's the truth. "Never again". Clearly our politicians do not believe in human rights or international law. What do they believe in? Democracy? I doubt it. Money? Western exceptionalism? More likely. Where do we go from here? Why would anyone ever take any moral argument from a western nation seriously ever again?

What we have learned again is that actions speak louder than words and that without action you can't achieve anything.

Western nations aren't doing anything nor are middle eastern governments, nor asian governments.

My takeaway is that the UN needs to be replaced with something without the 5 veto powers. Both Gaza now and Syria could have been prevented with peacekeeping missions if it weren't for the US and Russia and their vetos.

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