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I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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I'm definitely open to the idea of foldables or even flip phones (perhaps even enthused!). I'm gutted that the Japanese "Galapagos syndrome" keitei are becoming extinct with fewer and fewer releases each year. The ones that are newly available tend to run Android 10 (yikes). The keitei were always very tasteful, ergonomic, and sensible. Sure, not always flashy in specs, but they didn't need to be when they prioritize…

Neat, I wasn't aware of that kind of Japanese flip phone before. Seems like one of the few phones I'd use without a case these days. I wonder if any were ever designed with a ThinkPad like aesthetic.

It's interesting to see someone bring up ThinkPads!

I have been saying for a few years now that I want the "classic ThinkPad of phones" with readily available parts, sensible design choices (drainage holes on ThinkPads were a boon! Same with quickly swappable battery handles!) and some kind of afterlife that goes beyond whatever the manufacturer or OS developer decides it is going to be.

To my knowledge of keitei, there aren't any Richard Sapper-ish ThinkPad-styled ones, but you do occasionally see red flourishes like the ThinkPad nurple/TrackPoint, but they're usually on things like a SIM card tray, but not generally contrasted by black, but similar impact to Sapper's distinctive style.

I love me some utilitarian industrial design—I think that's what I'm searching for in modern phones. Sadly, I think that mentality is leaving us as the likes of Sapper pop their clogs and take the mindset with them. It's definitely somewhat oldskool values buried amidst all this.

Sent from my modded classic ThinkPad next to Richard Sapper's '70s Artemide Tizio lamp with an aftermarket LED upgrade to make it energy efficient. :- )

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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> when it comes to the point-of-sale, most people still choose the normal-size device with better screen/battery/camera. My theory is that much of this effect is an error, or at least a far-less-than-ideal effort, on the part of the designers. Of course it’s hard to sell a low-end “mini” device with a worse camera, worse battery life, etc. But that’s not actually what I, or many people I discuss this with, want. I wo…

> The iPhone 12 and 13 Mini were always marketed as the cheaper versions [...] No, they were not. They were literally a scaled down version of their respective regular sized counterparts, the 13 Mini had the same cameras, SOC, memory, screen quality and storage options as the regular 13 [0], yet its sales success (or lack thereof [1]) was enough to instantly cure me of any previously held notions that there is a suff…

>No, they were not. They were literally a scaled down version of their respective regular sized counterparts, the 13 Mini had the same cameras, SOC, memory, screen quality and storage options as the regular 13 [0], yet its sales success (or lack thereof [1]) was enough to instantly cure me of any previously held notions that there is a sufficiently large group of buyers for these devices out there.

You're being willfully obtuse here. It is the smaller version of the cheaper version of the iPhone. It's not a small pro, and that's what the original person was talking about.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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To be clear, I meant that, when running your average (i.e. mostly-idle, not-very-graphically-intense, yet smoothly-animated) interactive-UI application, with the CPU+GPU module needing to stream vaguely-realtime updates wirelessly over to the display module, the display module would end up using nearly as much battery to receive and display the updates as the CPU+GPU module would be taking to generate and send them.…

I read that as to say one should do both. Let the client render simple things, do the hard stuff on the portable server. No offense but it sounds like you simply refuse to look for anything interesting in the concept. Or you forgot to mention it. HN the tech website where we collectively try to shoot everything down. haha

I don't see anything that appeals to me or anyone I know (and I know some very geeky people!) in the concept.

You can certainly add the CPU/GPU module — it's just a NUC with a battery strapped to it, essentially — but if doing so doesn't make the display module lighter-weight and longer-lasting than a smartphone for what people tend to use a smartphone for, then I don't see what I gain by carrying it.

Remember that the conversation here is in the context of an OP about mini-sized phones; everyone in the thread is presuming your point had something to do with the separating-out of compute from other tasks resulting in the "terminals" you mentioned, becoming more like the "iPhone Mini-sized Android Phone" referenced in the OP. You did seem to imply this rhetorically, phrasing your desire as those terminals being "nothing more than" components X/Y/Z — as if this would imply they could be lighter-weight, etc.

But if you concede that even with your Personal-Area-Network (PAN) compute-offload module, the smartphone-sized display module effectively still needs to be a smartphone in order to be a "fat client when that is advantageous", with all that that implies... then you've lost the interest of everyone here, who were all hoping you were proposing some sort of key perspective shift that would allow for smaller, thinner, lighter, longer-lasting smartphones.

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And to be clear, I do understand why you would want a PAN compute-offload module; that was a concept tossed around quite a bit in futurology circles ~10 years ago. But the zeitgeist has moved on — 5G came along, designed specifically to address the need to carry around such a brick.

In the modern version of this architecture, your PAN's compute-offload either lives in your house/car/etc., or is just some cloud VPS you're renting — either explicitly, or implicitly through amortization of big hardware payments into an implicit subscription (as with e.g. the Apple Intelligence compute cluster.) The rest of your PAN then uses offloads compute by pushing workloads to it through cellular radio; this is practical because the cells for the cellular radio in question are omnipresent enough [and thereby, the handset side of the connection low-wattage enough], and the protocol non-chatty enough, that having such a radio "up" but idle doesn't burn much battery — so every PAN device can afford to do it.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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The hard reality is that there is no PAYING market for such a device, because when it comes to the point-of-sale, most people still choose the normal-size device with better screen/battery/camera. This is equivalent to something I called the "QWERTY paradox" more than a decade ago: Back when the Smartphone market exploded, people disliked typing on a touchscreen and repeatedly stated that they want a device with a ph…

I bought a mini because a phone broke and was not immediately fixable, and I just needed something to get me going.

And... I love it and use it all the time. Into the pocket it goes, great for going out.

I would buy an iphone mini 16/17/18 no questions asked.

When it comes to the marketing side of things, I think back to a story where one of the soft drink companies tried to find the best soft drink taste. They found out that they couldn't optimize for the one true taste because... different people had different favorites.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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I want a thick clunky device without a screen that can run for 4-7 days without charging. Then i want 1) a normal size device, 2) a tiny one and 3) a tablet. These should be terminals, little more than a screen, a battery and some radio to communicate with the herefore mentioned brick that does all of the heavy lifting. It needs only 20-30 meter range. The brick may also feature a webserver captive portal with public…

What you need is a power bank. Then you can charge your phone, or any other device Why do you need multiple days? Charge your devices overnight. Get a fast charger that charges in minutes if you forget or are out. There are power banks with builtin chargers. Also, if you want really small device, I found smartwatches are nice adjunct to phone. Can check notifications and do basic things on watch instead of pulling ou…

Why would you want one more thing to think about 2000 times per year?

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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The iPhone 13 Pro -> 16 Pro upsizing is ridiculous. The 13 was just the right size, but now they had to change it so they could sell more cases. It's almost phablet-size now. Look at an iPhone 6S by comparison.

This is an “unpleasable customer” problem. When the 13 Pro was current, everyone was yelling at Apple that it was too thin and that they wanted a slightly thicker phone with more battery life, which is what Apple did.

Not really. The iPhone 13 Pro non-Max was fine. If people want bigger, they can get a Max phablet. It's the 6 and 6 Plus especially that had a bendgate. They're trying too hard to make them too thin, sometimes. I'd be fine with a 5-7 mm thicker. Apple should do what's it's best at... not listening to frivolous criticism.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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My cynical take is that small phones don't exist because they are not the product. Similar to vape pens the product is the addictive substance the device loads. In this case its apps and ads. A smaller screen probably negatively impacts KPIs on many levels, at Google/Apple/Meta/X and on down through the ecosystem. I understand that Apple did not make enough money to make it worth their while to continue the iphone mi…

Bigger screens mean more time spent, more ad real estate, more "content," more dopamine loops
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