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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by MangoToupe »

soulofmischief wrote: post #30
al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

This goes against the very ethos of the early web. We should not be normalizing any form of this extreme moral overreach.

I would call this a "legal overreach". Laws have nothing to do with morals or morality.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by pjc50 »

root_axis wrote: post #17

> In fact, under the laws that the Supreme Court just upheld, prosecutors in Tennessee and South Dakota can even reach across state lines and prosecute writers on FELONY charges for a single paragraph of sexually-explicit writing on my site that they think "harmed" kids in their states, facing up to FIFTEEN years in prison, for failing to implement ID-checks on my dinky little free WordPress site. > It's unlikely the…

It's going to get used against trans and queer people. Someone will try to claim that a trans person in normal street clothes is "corrupting children", or that merely mentions of their existence is.

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Post by sigwinch »

skybrian wrote: post #680
al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

By a similar argument, why should stores check id's when selling alcohol or cigarettes? Raising kids is not their job either. The answer is because we live in a society. Society is about families, not just adults. Sure, raising kids is primarily the job of the parents, but everyone helps. Sometimes that results in a bit of inconvenience for businesses. Excluding kids from businesses that are adult-only isn't very kid…

It’s not the material cigarettes or alcohol that are the problem, it’s lying to get them. Same is true for sins like gambling and explicit romance novels.

The enforcement here is quite twisted: it attracts greedy litigants. Lying is bad, but greed is a mortal sin.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by sixothree »

heavyset_go wrote: post #434
root_axis wrote: post #17

> In fact, under the laws that the Supreme Court just upheld, prosecutors in Tennessee and South Dakota can even reach across state lines and prosecute writers on FELONY charges for a single paragraph of sexually-explicit writing on my site that they think "harmed" kids in their states, facing up to FIFTEEN years in prison, for failing to implement ID-checks on my dinky little free WordPress site. > It's unlikely the…

> especially if the judge finds the text in question particularly or personally offensive. Pro-censorship advocates will venue shop to find a sympathetic court

First they will find targets, then decide on the crime, then shop the venue.

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Post by sigwinch »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #336
soulofmischief wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goes against the very ethos of the early web. We should not be normalizing any form of this extreme moral overreach.

Its also to little, to late- the smut is in the LLMs now and they can generate whatever the user wants - locally. So good luck censoring that.

The how-to site describing llamafiles becomes an accomplice.

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Post by realusername »

nikanj wrote: post #82
everdrive wrote: post #46

Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

And honestly, with the advent of AI spam everywhere, I'd be quite happy to visit a version of the internet where everyone is a certified real person

You already have that with Cloudflare checking almost every single website on earth, as you can see, that doesn't work.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by johnnyanmac »

baq wrote: post #129
nikanj wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And honestly, with the advent of AI spam everywhere, I'd be quite happy to visit a version of the internet where everyone is a certified real person

No idea why you’re getting downvoted when there’s a slow but unstoppable migration of everything into discord or other walled, somewhat LLM-proof gardens.

It was a very tonedeaf take, that's why. Most of the internet is concentrated in the top 100 websites, and 80% of them would not be affected by this law. So you'll still see plenty of bots on Youtube, Discord, Reddit, news sites, and so on.

Blogs with a few comments would go from 5 real commenters to 0 or 1. This does not get the desired result.

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secondly, I assure you there's plenty of classic spam on servers that don't have good moderation. pre-AI spam never disappeared.

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Post by johanvts »

ndriscoll wrote: post #589
Retric wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking every country outside the US is simply admitting failure here.

How so? Why would I not default filter e.g. Iran or Chad or El Salvador or most of the world on my home network? I can always unblock a specific IP if needed, but chances are that will never happen. My kids aren't old enough for computers yet, but I'm mostly of the mindset that a whitelist or curated offline cache (at least for anything on the web) is the sanest approach for younger kids. Outside of .gov, .edu, a han…

Im hosting my site on an IP in the US, just because it was the best hosting option. If the US laws change so that either a) I am liable or b) the hosting provider wont host me. Then of course I would have to move to another, non US, provider. And I wouldn’t be alone so the U.S internet would probably be a lot smaller than it is now.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

layer8 wrote: post #362
Aerroon wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's already been happening in discord for years.

The parent’s point is that identity verification would stop that.

Where in this statement did people conclude that all websites require identification? Even if they did, you know the technocrats would just pay a few million to have the government look the other way. I don't see the upside here.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by johnnyanmac »

nikanj wrote: post #223
tines wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walled gardens are only LLM-proof until some AI company makes an offer for the data.

I don’t care about that. I care about the number of DMs I get from ”superhorni420” offering me her nudes I don’t really see a future where Discord would let an AI company post the kind of 24/7 porn+crypto+scams you get in your email spam folder

>I don’t really see a future where Discord would let an AI company post the kind of 24/7 porn+crypto+scams you get in your email spam folder

Discord just changed management and new managment immediately said they are interested in IPO'ing. If trends emerge, it will indeed get overriden by bots like Reddit did around the time it was preparing to IPO. I see it as an inevitability at this point.

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