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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by dragonwriter »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #277
hunglee2 wrote: post #251

The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. But then, Trump was always going to be a rule breaker, not least to his own supporters, in the end all that will be left will be absolute fealty to the chief

> The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. No it's not. They just like slavery. If it was about states rights they wouldn't support sending in the military. What I find shocking about comments like yours is the reminder that propaganda works. Someone in the republican party decided "guys, advocating for slavery openly doesn't go over well, let's tell them it's actually…

“States Rights” ,as a political slogan in the US, has always been code for the dominant White population’s privilege to oppress others, originally primarily via slavery, but over time through other alternative means (mostly designed to approximate the effect of slavery without the precise legal condition.)

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by HamsterDan »

kj4211cash wrote: post #571
typeofhuman wrote: post #536

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Hmm... as someone who lives in LA... I think your news stream is polluted. There were maybe 100 bad actors. Responding to people in military gear vanishing day labourers and fruit sellers and seamstresses. Bringing in 10,000 National Guard and 1,000 Marines is not an appropriate response.

If local police are unable or unwilling to protect federal agents doing their jobs, bringing in the military is absolutely the right decision. These rioters used hammers to destroy concrete bollards, pelted federal agents with the fragments, and faced no resistance from the LAPD while doing it.

Bringing in the military was necessary.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

Symmetry wrote: post #537
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

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This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

I think the real reason is that Trump feels that the illegal immigration issue generates votes for him so actually solving it is the last thing he wants to do.

I'm not sure it even matters if there is an actual problem, as long as there is a perception of a problem in his voters.

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Post by aaronbaugher »

socalgal2 wrote: post #679
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260

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> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

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Heard a rumor this morning that organizers have realized the bad optics in that, and have put out word to wave US flags today. It'll be interesting to see if they're obeyed.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by HamsterDan »

e40 wrote: post #611
bufferoverflow wrote: post #472

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You are naive to think police can’t turn a peaceful protest into a TV photo op for Fox News. And, it’s also naive to think that all the protesters are on the same side. Instigators are from either no side and the other side. During the George Floyd protests I was walking home and witnessed agitators turn a peaceful protest violent within minutes. There were at most 10 of them out of a crowd of 500. When I got home, t…

If 500 people can't stop 10 from causing violence, then those 500 never believed in peace to begin with.

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #417
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.

>I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis

Increasing immigration is a good way to revitalize a stagnant economy. This is the great chasm between people's intuition of how national economies work and economists' understanding of how they work.

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Post by justinrubek »

tylerflick wrote: post #42
legitster wrote: post #14

Soldiers, especially Marines, are trained to follow orders and kill. They are not specialists in de-escalation or crowd control. Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism. Because if this escalates in any way and the US military turns on Americans, its hard to understate how bad things could get.

Not saying I agree with the deployment, but as someone who was in this gun club this isn’t true at all and hasn’t been for some time. IIRC basic de-escalation was taught in recruit training.

I went through 10 years ago. It was not taught then.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

613style wrote: post #617
matt-attack wrote: post #602

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So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?

I believe that those who justify cruelty with rhetoric and spread hate will one day look into the mirror and be horrified at what they see.

I wish I shared your optimism.
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