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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Sometimes you sign up for things, because the advertisment did look great. But then, at one point, you want to cancel that subscription.

If that's the case, you're an easily-duped sucker of a customer and deserve to lose your money.

How funny this comment is, when we take into consideration of us being on an industry full of dark patterns.

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Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

Academic standards are kind of irrelevant when it comes to Harvard undergraduate admissions. Harvard is a tiny university at the absolute top of the prestige hierarchy. As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. At least to the extent it can be determined from the admission materials and a short interview. They could choose randomly from all good enough ap…

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A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy. I wish I was kidding but I'm not.

> A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy. I'm a Catholic but I can expand on this. The evangelicals believe that the Third Temple must be built for the Second Coming of Christ to happen, and are determined to politically and financially support the nation of Israel to make it happen as soon as possible. They also actively work torwards the destruction of al-Aqsa…

Yup. I seriously wish this wasn't real and when I mention it to some people they can't believe it.

Not only is it real, but many people in Trump's administration have openly talked about this and how they want to make it happen.

Isn't there also some shit about a cow?

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Are suggesting that average Israelis do not support the pressure campaign against universities, even those who generally support Israel’s actions in Gaza? Seems plausible, I haven’t seen any polling about that. If you are suggesting that Israeli politicians are not involved with American Israel supporters who are advocating a strict crackdown on speech at universities I don’t think that is plausible. We know there is…

I am suggesting that average Israelis citizens are not involved in campaigns against American universities.

Got it. Makes sense to me.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Academia let itself get too political these last 10 years and deserved some kind of reckoning for it, yet somehow this manages to be so shameless that it makes academia look like the good guys standing up to an oppressive regime.

Which means Harvard leadership actually has more reputation to gain by fighting this than by backing down, very similar to all those tariffed countries.

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If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

What is the better path forward? Republican voters led by their representative Trump were unhappy about certain policies and events at Ivy league institutions. Voters have the right to feel this way and elect representatives to carry out their views even if this is not how you feel as a feature of democracy. Proxies of the representatives of the voters reached out to a few institutions requesting changes to be made o…

Replace "Harvard" with "Trump University" in this conversation, and I believe many HN types would have a different opinion of the policies. The argument is, if educational institutions can't be ideologically neutral, why should they get the benefit from grants, tax free endowments, and a tax funded international customer acquisition pipeline? Especially as they become outrageously expensive debt traps, with worse ROIs.

I don't agree with this international student, and other policies, or implementations, and you can't run government like you run a "move fast and break things" startup, which seems to be how the administration is operating.

But, it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it, and try to separate Trump's execution from the underlying ideological sentiment.

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Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

Academic standards are kind of irrelevant when it comes to Harvard undergraduate admissions. Harvard is a tiny university at the absolute top of the prestige hierarchy. As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. At least to the extent it can be determined from the admission materials and a short interview. They could choose randomly from all good enough ap…

> As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student.

I know it's fun to dunk on legacy admissions but legacy students are actually more qualified by objective measures than non legacy. It makes sense that some genetics that predisposes children to an academic environment gets passed on. Not to mention the fact that their parents value education. This holds up even when you compare them against their non legacy peers in the same parental income bracket.

https://mleverything.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-legacy-adm...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

It doesn’t actually matter if the foreign students are better or not: by having a mixed student body, with lots of cultures and backgrounds, students learn more from each other. They learn skills to work with other cultures, and ways of doing things that may be better. Of course, in America’s future of autarky and Shogunate-style isolationism, those skills will no longer have any value, even to the elite. There’s no…

I don't know. A lot of foreign students from Harvard are Chinese. Seems kind of weird that they were found to discriminate against American Asians and then they import foreign Asian students. Goes against the whole we want diversity thing, no?
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