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CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by gedy »

scandox wrote: post #391
4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

What people mean when they say this is that they don't want to engage in party political and/or tribal political discussions. They don't want to do this because it just means rehearsing talking points. People are not dumb. They know that politics is everywhere but they want to live and love and talk about things that are interesting.

Exactly, and on the flip side many people who want to "talk politics" mainly want to shout at the outgroup and pick public fights.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by goku12 »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #282

Good. CVEs were the poster boy of goodharts law for the longest time. Most security vulnerabilities behind CVEs are utterly meaningless.

Ah! Another one to add to the following list:

- What disease did the CDC ever prevent?

- What improvement did the NHTSA ever bring to full self driving?

- What improvement in airline safety did the FAA bring?

- What good did FEMA do in any disasters?

I don't want to quip about how their achievements are invisible because they prevented the disasters that would have brought the spotlight on them, even when they were too underfunded to properly do their jobs. But I sure would like to see the people making these smart comments to give it a try and see how that goes. Then again, I have no complaints - at this rate, we'll get that chance soon.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by kelsey98765431 »

mrtksn wrote: post #672
4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

The problem with discussing politics is that it gives you the kicks. Its very easy to get into a feedback loop and take things quite far off civility. I am also guilty of it, many times. IMHO there needs to be a mechanism for breaking the loop and then we can have civil online political discussions. Unfortunately most places just ban it or ban those who got into the loop, either way its ugly. IRL when discussing poli…

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by AlexandrB »

strogonoff wrote: post #456
concordDance wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in favor of not having relationships break down in your community/company. Only a small percentage of people are able to handle fundamental disagreements calmly and without it bleeding over to other interactions. Will the SE and sales guy work as well together if the former knows the latter donates half his commission money to organizations that help kill babies?

I have friendly relationships with a few people who have political opinions some of which are opposite to mine. > Will the SE and sales guy work as well together if the former knows the latter donates half his commission money to organizations that help kill babies? A friend of mine is a vegan. Anywhere he works, to him, most of his coworkers not just help kill conscious beings that have self-awareness and feel pain,…

> Anywhere he works, to him, most of his coworkers not just help kill conscious beings that have self-awareness and feel pain, they literally eat them. Does this mean talking about what you have for lunch should be banned?

You're making the opposite case of what you think. Your Vegan friend is avoiding taking about politics constantly because they're not bringing up the fact that everyone is consuming the flesh of innocent animals every time they go for lunch. If they started talking about the politics and beliefs of veganism at every meal shared with coworkers, I think it would have a negative impact on those relationships.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by ta1243 »

elric wrote: post #388
Ucalegon wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should just buy MITRE. Move it to the EU and make it a EU based project.

I don't think the EU has any interest in this. They've been aware of the risk of relying on the US for software security for years, but AFAIK there have been no efforts to do anything about it. Maybe the current situation will kick some butts into gear ... Off topic: your username is very appropriate given the situation.

I thought exactly the same until

https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/

Appeared on the front page, with © 2005-2024 by the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity.

This is just an example of US cultural defaultism.

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Post by phtrivier »

Latty wrote: post #311
outside1234 wrote: post #86

These four years are going to be the death of all of us.

I find it a little incredible people are still talking about "four years". They tried to reject the election result and do a coup, and were rewarded for it by getting back into power. They are refusing to follow the law or the courts. They are sending people to gulags in foreign countries. All the checks and balances were destroyed last time. The party has been stripped of anyone who would fight the admin or reject t…

I understand you have elections in two years, don't you ? I don't know if a complete reversal congress is possible.

That would be a good litmus test. "They" have not prevented special elections so far ; if "They" need to prevent the next one, whatever they try will happen then, I suppose ?

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Post by Lendal »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #556
chillingeffect wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perfect exmple of the "one-deep" conservative response. PP is looking for a pattern, finding, and abstaining from questioning or contextualizing it: Engaging only with the first or most obvious layer of an issue—never going deeper into context, nuance, or systemic causes. The quickest counterexample that comes to mind is Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It has returned billions to American cit…

I'm gonna have to stop engaging with you here if you start a comment by accusing someone to be a conservative. If your first reaction is putting people into political/ideological camps in order to make their arguments weaker and easier to attack form a holier than though political/ideological angle, it's game over for me as I like to judge actions objectively based on the outcomes, not conservative vs democrat, left…

The death of Occam's razor, because protecting one sensitive person's tribal political identity is more important than solving the problem.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by jzb »

acdha wrote: post #661
spacebanana7 wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devil's advocate - it's horrible when gaming, programming, business or even porn forums get overrun by politics. It's not that the political topics are unimportant but all my feeds just end up looking the same as each other and the same as a newspaper app. I hate election nights because of this.

I miss that, too, but the way we get there is by re-establishing democratic norms and boundaries. The United States is flirting with fascism, and globally we are seeing the fallout from that and the cascading effects of climate change, not to mention the impacts of AI on employment, surveillance and censorship, social media, etc. Keeping politics out of forums like the ones you mentioned is like keeping oxygen out of…

Flirting? That was years ago. Fascism has its shit in U-Haul and is ready to move in.
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