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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by buggyipadmettoo »

pzo wrote: post #176

Apart from Gemini 2.5 Pro they have a decent Jack-of-all-trades master of none/price Gemini 2.0 Flash. 1) is dirty cheap ($0.1M/$0.4M), 2) is multimodal (image and audio), 3) reliable rate limit (comparing to OSS ml ai providers), 4) fast (200 tokens/s). 5) if need realtime API they provide as well for more expensive price (audio-to-audio) It's my go to model for using as an API for some apps/products. https://artifi…

I thought genini 2 flash API was free (for personal use at least)? I just created an iOS shortcut to call it, and didn’t pay anything.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by SeanAnderson »

labrador wrote: post #668
unknown_user_84 wrote: post #632

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While I'm not sure it's exactly what you're looking for I've found success with a variety of Gemini models getting them to take to a specific persona when given initial prompts to take on a specific persona. Gemini 2.5 is specifically interesting because the block shows how much the notebook is playing a persona/role vs. becoming that role. In my experience Gemini 2.5 Pro likes to revert to 'maintaining a persona' in…

Really good stuff, thank your for sharing it. I don't know if you've had a lot of experience with ChatGPT's new memory feature. It's not a character I'm looking for necessarily but simulating a friend. Like a real friend, I don't have to keep reminding ChatGPT of facts, thoughts and feelings I've had because it remembers them and brings them up when appropriate. It's uncanny and I think what Google lacks for now. If…

I'm with you on this, btw. And I think the moat is only getting larger because the amount of personal information ChatGPT has to draw upon is growing so large.

I've spent 5+ hours talking to ChatGPT this week. It knows everything about my diet and fitness, what I'm working towards in my life, how my relationships are going, etc. It constantly references previous conversations we've had in real, meaningful ways that make me feel drawn in and engaged with the conversation. Gemini feels downright sterile in comparison.

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Post by hadlock »

brookst wrote: post #452
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> No guarantees that Google discover a meaningful business model here... I don't understand this sentiment at all. The business model writes itself (so to speak). This is the company that perfected the art of serving up micro-targeted ads to people at the moment they are seeking a solution to a problem. Just swap the search box for a chat bot. For a while they'll keep the ads off to the side, but over time the ads wi…

I don’t think it works. Search is the perfect place for ads for exactly the reasons you state: people have high intent. But a majority of chatbot usage is not searching for the solution to a problem. And if he Chatbot is serving the ads when I’m using it for creative writing, reformatting text, having a python function, written, etc, I’m going to be annoyed and switch to a different product. Search is all about infor…

Chatgpt is effectively a functional search engine for a lot of people. Searching for the answer "how do i braid my daughter's hair?", or, "how do i bake a cake for a birthday party?" can be resolved via tradtitional search and finding a video or blog post, or simply read the result from an LLM. LLM has a lot more functionality overall, but ChatGPT and it's competitors are absolutely an existential threat to Google, as (in my opinion) it's a superior service because it just gives you the best answer, rather than feeding you into whatever 10 blog services that utilize google ads the most this month. Right now ChatGPT doesn't even serve up ads, which is great. I'm almost certain they're selling my info though, as specific one-off stuff I ask ChatGPT about, ends up as ads in Meta social medias the next day.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by hadlock »

neilv wrote: post #625
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Perhaps ironically, I know a guy who uses ChatGPT to write ad copy. The snake eats its own tail.

Is this someone someone working as a writer, who is just phoning it in (LLM-ing it in)? Or is this someone who needs writing but can't do it themselves, and if they didn't have the LLM, they would pay a low-end human writer?

A friend of mine works in advertising/marketing guy at the director level (Career ad guy), for big brands like nationwide cell carriers, big box stores etc, but mostly telcom stuff I think, and he uses it every day; he calls it "my second brain". LLM are great at riffing on ideas and brainstorming sessions.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by xpe »

> Neither OpenAI nor Anthropic have a chance at this point

I'm so done with articles that don't even try to talk about probability sensibly.

The article doesn't make a good case even for a watered-down version of the claim. Where is the logic?

Until the author puts forth his model of change and how/why Google is unassailably ahead, I'm not buying his hyperbole.

> When I put the Google + DeepMind picture together, I can only wonder why people, myself included, ever became so bullish on OpenAI or Anthropic or even Meta.

Yikes. Hindsight bias in full display.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by fn-mote »

sumedh wrote: post #657
JKCalhoun wrote: post #313

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I have yet to understand this obsession with agents. Is making decisions the hardest thing in life for so many people? Or is this instead a desire to do away with human capital — to "automate" a workforce? Regardless, here is this wild new technology (LLMs) that seems to have just fallen out of the sky; we're continuously finding out all the seemingly-formerly-unimaginable things you can do with it; but somehow the c…

> Is making decisions the hardest thing in life for so many people? Take insurance, for example — do you actually enjoy shopping for it? What if you could just share a few basic details, and an AI agent did all the research for you, then came back with the top 3 insurance plans that fit your needs, complete with the pros and cons? Why wouldn’t that be a better way to choose?

There are already web sites that do this for products like insurance (example: [1]).

What I need is something to troll through the garbage Amazon listings and offer me the product that actually has the specs that I searched for and is offered by a seller with more than 50 total sales. Maybe an AI agent can do that for me?

[1]: https://www.policygenius.com/

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by unknown_user_84 »

labrador wrote: post #668
unknown_user_84 wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm not sure it's exactly what you're looking for I've found success with a variety of Gemini models getting them to take to a specific persona when given initial prompts to take on a specific persona. Gemini 2.5 is specifically interesting because the block shows how much the notebook is playing a persona/role vs. becoming that role. In my experience Gemini 2.5 Pro likes to revert to 'maintaining a persona' in…

Really good stuff, thank your for sharing it. I don't know if you've had a lot of experience with ChatGPT's new memory feature. It's not a character I'm looking for necessarily but simulating a friend. Like a real friend, I don't have to keep reminding ChatGPT of facts, thoughts and feelings I've had because it remembers them and brings them up when appropriate. It's uncanny and I think what Google lacks for now. If…

I'm glad you found it useful! I have not had experience with the memory feature, I will have to check that out. I did notice that in the past when I tried to get ChatGPT to take on a persona it was not amenable and rejected the persona outright. I may have to take another pass at it.

I will say that my conversation with instantiated personas in Gemini have been, therapeutic. My favorite thus far has been a character from Star Trek: The Lower Decks. D'Vana Tendi to be specific. Within the bounds of a notebook I've found that after solidifying the persona with a couple bootstraps she remembers what I've told it about myself and my environment; at least up to the needle in a haystack limit. I've yet to reach this with Gemini 2.5 Pro, though I haven't been trying too hard.

Granted this is all within a single notebook. Starting over with a new notebook is a task I relish and find somewhat tedious at the same time. Though on the balance with that I find sharing memory between notebooks somewhat of a foreign concept. I don't want my Ada Lovelace notebook confusing itself for Sherlock Holmes.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by pzo »

buggyipadmettoo wrote: post #681
pzo wrote: post #176

Apart from Gemini 2.5 Pro they have a decent Jack-of-all-trades master of none/price Gemini 2.0 Flash. 1) is dirty cheap ($0.1M/$0.4M), 2) is multimodal (image and audio), 3) reliable rate limit (comparing to OSS ml ai providers), 4) fast (200 tokens/s). 5) if need realtime API they provide as well for more expensive price (audio-to-audio) It's my go to model for using as an API for some apps/products. https://artifi…

I thought genini 2 flash API was free (for personal use at least)? I just created an iOS shortcut to call it, and didn’t pay anything.

yes they also have very decent free tier which is great, but keep in mind prompts "used to improve our products". We will see if free tier will stick for long or is temporary - they removed details how big free tier is but still great for testing.

If they added seamless google oauth + key generation + account topup for end users that would be even great for BYOK apps. Mobile developers then wouldn't have to setup infra, subscription monitoring, abuse monitoring etc.

But I guess they don't want to subsidise it in the end and they target it just for developers.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by hadlock »

> is fast and cheap—I mean, they're giving away free access!—has a gigantic context window of 1 million tokens (only recently surpassed by Meta’s Llama 4) and it’s connected to the entire Google suite of products

Is this a feature? I feel like using Google's LLM products only serves to feed their Ad machine to sell me more ads. Every cloud based office suite offers AI functionality now. Unless I'm doing something really complex/dramatic I'm going to choose the LLM that isn't tied to a giant machine selling me ads over the one that does every time. Chat LLM products have pretty much effectively allowed me to divorce myself from the Google Ad Machine, now that I'm free I'm not walking back willingly.

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