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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by hedora »

Animats wrote: post #387

On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine. Most of the minerals mentioned, except titanium, are un-mined deposits. Or things the US has plenty of already, such as oil, natural gas, coal, and iron. Here's a rundown: - Rare earths: I've mentioned the MP Minerals, Mountain Pass, CA mine before. The US doesn't have enough rare earth refining capability, and China won't export the technology. So US…

Thanks for the detailed report, but if you watch the VP debate, it’s clear that Trump’s entire economic campaign platform was based on promising to do stuff that Biden already accomplished, and to lie and claim it hadn’t been done.

Trump also claimed he had no intention of implementing Project 2025, but that’s what he’s doing.

I’m not sure what the correct response is, but anyone that doesn’t think Trump constantly lies is willfully ignorant.

The only explanation I can come up with for this administration’s actions is intentional sabotage of the US economy and democracy. It matches 100% of the actions they have taken so far.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by kardianos »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

Believe it or not, yes, the US wishes NATO paid for more of it's defense.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by kardianos »

basisword wrote: post #389

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

This is exactly what VP Vance and President Trump has asked the EU to do. They want them to pay more for their own defense... So, yeah.

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Post by dismalaf »

I'm very curious what the end game is for the US. They've basically blown up the world order, given up on being the defender of democracy... This will also hurt US soft power immensely, I can't imagine anyone feels great about doing business with any American entity any more.

Now China looks reasonable, as the main superpower that isn't perpetrating or supporting an active all-out war... They might even get Taiwan and others on their side without firing a shot.

This will unite Europe, all Macron and Merz have to do is limit migration and stay reasonably centrist and they'll both limit Russian influence and be the new leaders of the free world, along with Poland, Italy, the Nordics, etc...

It's also a strange situation for Americans I'm sure. On one hand, I can understand why Americans voted for Trump. The left ignored the working classes, pushed way too hard on extreme left social issues and didn't have coherent domestic policies. On the other hand, I really doubt anyone, even most conservatives, want to be part of a Russia-NK Axis and be enemies of the entire free world. How is the CIA and others going along with this?

We live in interesting times...

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Post by whateveracct »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

Ukraine is in this war partially (largely? primarily?) due to United States foreign policy in the years since the "end" of the Cold War. No surprise Trump screws them over and doesn't honor our geopolitical debts tho.

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Post by mjfl »

entropyneur wrote: post #603

I have invested considerable personal resources into fighting for democracy in my country and ended up having to flee leaving behind a rather comfortable life. The United States has always been an inspiration despite its well-known flaws. Watching this situation unfold is very disturbing. And especially disheartening is the behavior of Republican representatives. A mere month ago these same people were Ukraine's best…

what is Ukraine's path to victory and why do you think war is better than peace or even a ceasefire?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by dwoldrich »

Does _anyone_ in these comments wonder what happened before JD goes off on Zelenskyy? What could have elicited such a scorched earth response from the VP while the administration is still negotiating?

That explosive clip, which I'm sure is all 99% of people have watched, happens like 40 minutes into an otherwise really quite friendly presser.

https://www.c-span.org/program/white-house-event/president-t...

Very disappointed with practically all of you.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

sleepyguy wrote: post #6

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

They invited him to the White House to finally sign the rare earth minerals agreement, which he had said he'd sign and then renegged two times prior[0]. This was the third attempt by the US to get it signed. During the meeting, he indicated that he would sign the agreement but then not agree to a cease fire, which was the whole point of putting it in place. Naturally, this was a deal breaker for the administration and the meeting ended.

[0] https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1895633109649134013

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by thrance »

entropyneur wrote: post #603

I have invested considerable personal resources into fighting for democracy in my country and ended up having to flee leaving behind a rather comfortable life. The United States has always been an inspiration despite its well-known flaws. Watching this situation unfold is very disturbing. And especially disheartening is the behavior of Republican representatives. A mere month ago these same people were Ukraine's best…

Trump has been glazing despots for years, nothing about this is surprising. They were never "the world's dictators' most hawkish enemies", quite the contrary. Why else would russian propaganda be so aligned with MAGA?
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