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Re: GPT-4.5

#681

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Depends who's pitch deck you're reading. Warren Buffett didn't get rich waiting on index funds.

And for every Warren Buffet, there are a number of equally competent people who have been less lucky and gone broke taking risks.

And, crucially, whose loss has in turn become someone else’s gain. A lot of people had to lose big in order to fill Warren buffet’s coffers.

Re: GPT-4.5

#682

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They tried a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40373284 Sadly little people noticed...

Sadly few people noticed. I don’t normally cosplay as a grammar Nazi but in this case I feel like someone should stand up for the little people :)

Or, sadly, little did people notice.

Re: GPT-4.5

#683

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Lying is defined as "used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression." What am I missing here? Those weren't curt summaries, they were quotes! And not pull quotes, they were the unedited beginning of each claim!

>> This is an ad hominem which assumes intent unknown to anyone other than the person to whom you replied. > What am I missing here? Intent. Neither you nor I know what the person to whom you replied had. > Those weren't curt summaries, they were quotes! And not pull quotes, they were the unedited beginning of each claim! Maybe the more important part of that sentence was: Subsequently railing against comment ranking…

>>> This is an ad hominem which assumes intent unknown to anyone other than the person to whom you replied.

>> [elided] What am I missing here?

> Intent. Neither you nor I know what the person to whom you replied had.

Here's the part you elided:

"I looked up the definition [of lying]. It says "used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression."

That makes it quite clear whether or not I'm missing "intent".

This also makes it quite clear that I am not making an ad hominem.

I am using a simple, everyday, word used to describe the act of advancing false claims, whether through deception or mistaken impression.

Re: GPT-4.5

#684

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They are pretty useful tools. Do yourself a favor and get a $100 free trial for Claude, hook it up to Aider, and give it a shot. It makes mistakes, it gets things wrong, and it still saves a bunch of time. A 10 minute refactoring turns into 30 seconds of making a request, 15 seconds of waiting, and a minute of reviewing and fixing up the output. It can give you decent insights into potential problems and error messag…

OP should really save their money. Cursor has a pretty generous free trail and is far from the holy grail. I recently (in the last month) gave it a shot. I would say once in the maybe 30 or 40 times I used it did it save me any time. The one time it did I had each line filled in with pseudo code describing exactly what it should do… I just didn’t want to look up the APIs I am glad it is saving you time but it’s far f…

> I am glad it is saving you time but it’s far from a given.

This is no less true of statements made to the contrary. Yet they are stated strongly as if they are fact and apply to anyone beyond the user making them.

Usefulness is subjective.

Re: GPT-4.5

#685

If this cannot eliminate hallucinations or at least reduce them to be statistically unlikely to be happen, and I assume it has more params than GPT4's trillion parameters, that means the scaling law is dead isn't it?

Why would they want to eliminate that? Altman said that hallucinations are how LLMs express creativity.

Re: GPT-4.5

#686

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

I have a professor who founded a few companies, one of these was funded by gates after he managed to spoke with him and convinced him to give him money. This guy is goat, and he always tells us that we need to find solutions to problems, not to find problems to our solutions. It seems at openai they didn't get the memo this time

That's the beauty of it, prospective investor! With our commanding lead in the field of shoveling money into LLMs, it is inevitable™ that we will soon™ achieve true AI, capable of solving all the problems, conjuring a quintillion-dollar asset of world domination and rewarding you for generous financial support at this time. /s

Re: GPT-4.5

#687
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> each passing release makes Altman’s confidence look more aspirational than visionary As an LLM cynic, I feel that point passed long go, perhaps even before Altman claimed countries would start wars to conquer the territory around GPU datacenters, or promoting the dream of a 7 T-for-trillion dollar investment deal, etc. Alas, the market can remain irrational longer than I can remain solvent.

That $7 trillion dollar ask pushed me from skeptical to full-on eye-roll emoji land— the dude is clearly a narcissist with delusions of grandeur— but it’s getting worse. Considering the $200 pro subscription was significantly unprofitable before this model came out, imagine how astonishingly expensive this model must be to run at many times that price.

Or, the model is nowhere as expensive as in the api pricing and they want to pump the user value of their pro subscription artificially?

Re: GPT-4.5

#688

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> We don't really know what this is good for Oh come on. Think how long of a gap there was between the first microcomputer and VisiCalc. Or between the start of the internet and social networking. First of all, it's going to take us 10 years to figure out how to use LLM's to their full productive potential. And second of all, it's going to take us collectively a long time to also figure out how much accuracy is neces…

> First of all, it's going to take us 10 years to figure out how to use LLM's to their full productive potential.

Then another 30 to finally stop using them in dumb and insecure ways. :p

Re: GPT-4.5

#689
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GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

The price really is eye watering. At a glance, my first impression is this is something like Llama 3.1 405B, where the primary value may be realized in generating high quality synthetic data for training rather than direct use. I keep a little google spreadsheet with some charts to help visualize the landscape at a glance in terms of capability/price/throughput, bringing in the various index scores as they become ava…

Not just for training data, but for eval data. If you can spend a few grand on really good labels for benchmarking your attempts at making something feasible work, that’s also super handy.

Re: GPT-4.5

#690

I'm one week in on heavy grok usage. I didn't think I'd say this, but for personal use, I'm considering cancelling my OpenAI plan. The one thing I wish grok had was more separation of the UI from X itself. The interface being so coupled to X puts me off and makes it feel like a second-hand citizen. I like ChatGPTs minimalist UI.

https://grok.com/
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