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Just sponsor Servo[1], it will be much safer than Chrome or Firefox once ready. [1] https://opencollective.com/servo
Is it EU based though?
Overseed[1] by Linux Foundation Europe.
Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#682Mozilla is going down the path of enshittification. I don't really care what the exact AUP, ToS and other legalese tomes boil down to, I should not need to agree to nothing but the license to use a piece of free software. If they only wanted this shit to apply to the online services, they should state it as such.
I am sad to state this, but this is likely the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I am convinced that there is a huge silent majority of users here that care about the erosion of privacy and data abuse because that's why we were using Firefox in the first place. If I don't have any assurance of my rights, privacy, anonymity and the general assurance of virtues that a capital F - Free Software- should exhibit. If I have to settle for a solution that doesn't respect my rights, I will use something more complete, well supported and user-friendly.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#683Windows user, 32 years FF user (Mosaic, Netscape, Firefox), what to do now? Anyone forking? (I don't want a derivate which Mozilla controls) [edit] Switched to Waterfox (Macos, Windows, Linux, Android), no fork but better than FF for now
Firefox forks:
* Waterfox
* Librewolf
* GNU IceCat
* Pale Moon
* Seamonkey
Chromium forks:
* Ungoogled-Chromium
* Thorium
* Iridium
You'll have to do your own due diligence as far as how trustworthy or suitable these are, but nominally privacy-respecting alternatives do exist.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#684Debian feature request: A system-wide switch to disable all telemetry and "cloud integration" features that make any network connection to the developers' or developers' partners' servers, applied to all software distributed in the official repositories.
Just use https://librewolf.net
Why Librewolf and not Waterfox or any other open source fork?
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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> is easy to block network access (never plug ethernet) Some TVs secretly include a modem and SIM card, to make sure they get your personal data back to their masters. Every company in the world is coming after your privacy. How far are you willing to defend it?
To test my privacy I us a decoy! I play porn from Hunters laptop in a loop overnight. There are so many reasons it should be reported!
So far no problems.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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The term itself is bad here. The problem isn't just because it's hard to understand. > Second clause establishes that when you input that data you give firefox a license to that data which you otherwise own Firefox doesn't need a license, because it's not a legal entity; it's software acting on behalf of a person (the user). Mozilla doesn't need a license to all information input through Firefox, because Mozilla does…
It isn't just software: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/access-mozilla-services... I will maintain it is an issue of clarity. Your argument is that Mozilla isn't offering online services but this isn't true and clarifying what actions upload information and exactly how that information would be used would mollify this. The list would probably be quite extensive. Moreover, the clause doesn't necessarily give them…
The ToU is clearly referring to the browser, not the other products of the Firefox brand family. The literal first two paragraphs:
> Firefox is free and open source web browser software, built by a community of thousands from all over the world.
> Please read these Terms of Use (“Terms”) carefully because they explain important information about using your copy of the Firefox software. These Terms are a binding agreement between Mozilla Corporation (“Mozilla”) and You. For details about Firefox privacy practices, please read the Firefox Privacy Notice.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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I don't see how a regulated entity is better in any way than an individual. We repeatedly see attacks on freedom and privacy by the people who are supposed to protect them, those so-called "regulators": chatcontrol, recent UK backdoor wishes, repeated French proposals to enforce DRM even on opensource. And I wouldn't even google Russia, China, or other less democratic states. Regulated is probably worse than some ana…
> I don't see how regulated entity is better in any way than individual. I feel you. Regulatory bodies have definitely fallen short in many cases, and we've seen concerning proposals from governments that threaten digital privacy and freedom. "Who watches the watchmen" seems incredibly apt nowadays. However, I feel there's a fundamental difference between imperfect accountability and no accountability at all. With a…
I grow wearier by the day by the incessant calls to denounce and disown everything that isn't perfect.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#688The problem I have with these kinds of hot-takes is that they often don't tell the full story, and it's seemingly for the purpose of generating rage. For some inexplicable reason, this guy truncates the paragraph from the Terms of Use, repackaging the information without a key part of the final sentence: "....to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."…
That bit pretty much sounds like "by using the software you're agreeing to whatever"
Yes and this phrasing is used in many other products, like credit cards. Additionally, the fact that the phrasing can be interpreted as such means that it will be interpreted as such and so makes Mozilla's new Terms unacceptable to anyone who values their privacy or data.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#689I might have differed with Brendan Eich on a few matters, but he was a good steward of Firefox in my book. When Mitchell Baker took the reins, Mozilla became rather more heavy-handed towards us - the irony being that Waterfox was once proudly displayed on the Mozilla website under their "Powered By" banner. I appreciate the constant existential wobble Firefox faces, but they've made some peculiar decisions as of late…
They got more than $7B to build a browser. "I appreciate the constant existential wobble Firefox faces" I would also love to face $7B existential wobbles.
To put that number in perspective, drawing just 1% of that down each year and putting in a bank account earning interest would fund 100 engineers on $500k/year indefinitely.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#690The writing on the wall was there since a long time ago considering the actions of the foundations leadership. They burn money like crazy on some useless stuff, no direction or idea how to bring back FF into the spotlight where it belongs.
Now with the changes with Chrome (basically killing of adblockers) they have a big window to make a play but instead they make the most idiotic move possible. Typical Mozilla - a mix of great tech (e.g. Rust) and detached from reality leadership.
I've been using Firefox since decades, even when it was a slow and buggy piece of crap compared to Chrome but now I think it is time to move to something else. But what will guarantee me I won't get a rug pull when some MBA takes the reins?