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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by ksec »

layer8 wrote: post #668
ksec wrote: post #655

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The mini did exactly and precisely bump up the whole product range pricing. So the regular iPhone 12 got to $799 instead of $699. A 16e Mini will make the 16e product range starts at $499.

I just don’t think that a 16e mini at $499 would give Apple enough margin. The Face ID components are reportedly not cheap, OLED is also more expensive than LCD, they didn’t up the price to $599 just for fun.

OLED is not expensive and can be cheaper than LCD. There is nothing expensive about BOM in iPhone 16e. Face ID used in the current notch form is also not expensive. We are 7 years into FaceID component already. There are reason why Android could pay Qualcomm for SoC while still selling for $199. It is selling 16e at 14 price range with one camera less, which is actually a relatively expensive part in terms of BOM and extra GB of memory. Along with cost saving of its own modem, the $599 is there not to cannibalise sales on 16 which is the heavy margin product range.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by whyenot »

enragedcacti wrote: post #313
dfabulich wrote: post #123

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

I'm sure the modem contributes, but IMO the battery life is probably mostly from just having a bigger battery due to the new internal design (and maybe chemistry changes). The new design moves the frame's structure into the middle of the sandwich, making it more rigid and allowing them to make the frame thinner to pack in more battery. Lots of people are mad about losing magsafe but in magsafe phones the magnets sit…

With almost everyone using a case, magsafe doesn’t really need to be in the phone, it would probably be fine if it’s just in the case.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by GeekyBear »

uni_baconcat wrote: post #628
GeekyBear wrote: post #442

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In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organizatio…

And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.

I imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally.

> It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by ksec »

throwaway4731 wrote: post #511
ksec wrote: post #413

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Except making a decent modem is indeed harder than start of art CPU. People loves to shit on Qualcomm but dont appreciate that amount of work involved.

The hard part is not the modem design per se. The hard part is designing a good modem while also unambiguously working around all the Qualcomm patents in all the jurisdictions that have iPhone, which is all of them. Because if you don’t do that, you’re still paying Qualcomm which defeats an important purpose of making your own modem.

In 2025 it is time to give credit for Apple's PR spreading whole misinformation online during and after the trial. Macrumours and 9to5mac loves to repeat those narrative about Apple no longer has to pay any patent fees when they make their own modem.

As the reply below, Apple still has to pay its SEP. Given Apple has its current deal with Qualcomm until 2027 with time to extend further we likely won't know the full details. Previously it was 5% of Wholesale price for all Qualcomm patents whether they are SEP, wireless or not. With a cap or maximum $20 per smartphone meaning the Pro range don't have to pay a lot more. And rebate towards the modem Apple purchase. The reality after deducting rebate Apple was paying closer to 5%. For reference Ericsson ask for 3% on 5G SEP, previous Cory ruling suggest reality was closer to 2%.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by dagmx »

wtallis wrote: post #378
dagmx wrote: post #256

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Many laptops, including MacBooks, do not have M.2 expansion available.

And when laptops do have a spare M.2 slot it's usually intended for an SSD only and is not the right kind of M.2 slot for a cellular (or WiFi) card. And of course, you'd need antennas. So the whole laptop needs to be designed around accommodating cellular connectivity, with significant changes to the internal layout.

Yeah great point. Given the MacBook is metal, and expansion slot would need to also be placed with cellular in mind to work

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Post by icedchai »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #342
thebigspacefuck wrote: post #244

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Never felt that way about my 13 mini

Do you still own it? I've kept my 13 mini so far, but I hope the browsing or app experience doesn't degrade anytime soon (battery's still great.)

I still have my 13 mini, but it is feeling somewhat slower with each major iOS release. Still I can probably get a few more years out of it.

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Post by beretguy »

Nition wrote: post #664
asdff wrote: post #429

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Easily the nicest form factor phone they ever produced. You can reach the entire screen with the thumb in one hand without awkwardly flopping the phone onto the thumb in the farthest corner. It is smaller than your wallet. The battery lasted forever because the screen was small and not that bright or nearly so pixel dense. Too bad the management consultants killed such a technology.

I kinda want the 1st-gen 4" SE screen on a bezel-less modern phone. That'd really fit nicely in a pocket. Would modern apps and modern websites be usable on it?... not really, but maybe I don't need them anyway.

I am using it perfectly fine.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by beretguy »

asdff wrote: post #426
beretguy wrote: post #400

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I still use 1st Gen SE with 4 inch screen.

I would have kept using mine if it didn't have issues dropping calls and also certain app incompatibilities that began to be frusterating. It is actually a lot better of an iphone than my newer SE2. It is much faster on the OS it runs than this SE2 on ios 15. Spotlight search is instantaneous on the old SE. On the SE2 it might hang in spotlight for 5 seconds or longer.

I use both 1st and 2nd at the same time. 1st as phone, 2nd as a PDA.

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Post by rs186 »

boxed wrote: post #171
sampton wrote: post #46

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I always hear people on hn asking for smaller screen. Apple actually made a small 12. It was the worst selling phone in the lineup.

The worst selling iPhone can still be a larger business than 50%+ of all android phones.

Citation needed.
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