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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's also bullshit. Clearly both the US and Canada do build lots of things.

Like what?

Second avenue subway in NYC for over 1b/mi

CAHSR for ~100b

A completely useless underground palace at grand central for 11b

Really can’t build shit in this country without getting shaken down by unions, nimbys, lawyers, and consultants

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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No medical condition has higher priority than getting out of a burning plane as fast as possible. You may not survive a day without insulin, but the people behind you might not survive the next few seconds if they can't get out in time because you were fumbling with a bag

I hate your opinion not because leaving one's bag isn't a fair take most of the time but it is underpinned by a the fundamental contempt for the decision making of people who are actually there. It's like when a child gets a math problem right but the shown work makes it clear they're very wrong. You don't know what's in that luggage. Maybe it's hard to source medication. Maybe it's very important legal documents. It…

If adamanonymous' opinion was worth the pixels it was printed on, he wouldn't need to post it anonymously. Ditto for me.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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The twin cities MSA has a population of about 3.7 million, the Toronto CMA 6.2 million, so Chinese cities at a similar metropolitan area population and distance would be Kunming and Changsha. Which see 20 trains a day per direction, not counting the slower sleeper trains (and also 10-12 flights per day).

The population comparison is misleading. Kumming and Chiangsa are part of Shanghai–Kunming railway. The trains between these two cities don't stop at either, but connect all the stations on the larger railway. Compare that to flights between Minneapolis and Toronto. The majority of passengers are point to point, as transit passengers from Minneapolis probably take hubs such as Chicago or NYC, not Toronto. There are u…

> Kumming and Chiangsa are part of Shanghai–Kunming railway. The trains between these two cities don't stop at either, but connect all the stations on the larger railway.

Which would be the same for a North American rail network. Kunming was Minneapolis in this analogy, trains to Toronto could carry on to Boston or Montreal or New York just as trains to Changsa carry on to Shanghai.

> The original assertion is that train can probably replace airplane on this route.

I don't think anyone claimed that it would replace planes completely. It could be competitive, it could be an option for people who want it.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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The landing gear didn't collapse, the wings ripped off from landing too hard.

Only one wing separated

Either way, it's a write-off and it's not the landing gear's fault.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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As a former aviator, the joke in the business is that a career in aviation is largely stupefying boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror.

Also perfectly descriptive of being an anesthesiologist. We had a resident who, at the end of most OR days, even during his third (final) year of residency, would come into the ready room and remark, "Something really amazing happened today...." The fact that this was still the case for him after anesthetizing thousands of patients was troubling to us attendings.

I diagnosed my first pseudocholinesterase deficiency as a CA-1 (for non-doctors: second-year resident, patient was still paralyzed after a long case from a drug that usually lasts ~5 minutes, had to send him to ICU on ventilator until it finally broke down from all the other enzymes in the body). Had to be an attending for ~10 years before I got a malignant hyperthermia case. Do not want to repeat either of those.

No. Surprises. Ever. Unless it's ROSC (return of spontaneous circulation, aka we succeeded) in a code.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Hahah, wow, who was offended by those easily-verified observations?

They're obvious hyperbole complaining about how you can't immediately have access to high res, high frame rate footage of a disaster with casualties. Maybe people think you are kind of creepy for being so insistent (and hyperbolically so)?

What are you talking about? I merely criticized THIS shitty footage, which is so poor that you can't tell what happened to the plane. Useless.

Maybe you're replying to the wrong person. Otherwise, the only hyperbolic statement is your own.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Also perfectly descriptive of being an anesthesiologist. We had a resident who, at the end of most OR days, even during his third (final) year of residency, would come into the ready room and remark, "Something really amazing happened today...." The fact that this was still the case for him after anesthetizing thousands of patients was troubling to us attendings.

I diagnosed my first pseudocholinesterase deficiency as a CA-1 (for non-doctors: second-year resident, patient was still paralyzed after a long case from a drug that usually lasts ~5 minutes, had to send him to ICU on ventilator until it finally broke down from all the other enzymes in the body). Had to be an attending for ~10 years before I got a malignant hyperthermia case. Do not want to repeat either of those. No…

That's interesting. I never encountered either a pseudocholinesterase deficiency or MH during my 38 years of residency/attending/private practice.

However — in my first year of residency, during my rotation at the VA, while performing my first brachial plexus block, I unknowingly injected lidocaine into the axillary artery: as the patient began seizing, the attending calmly said "Joe, take out the needle, I'm going to give him some diazepam." Worked!

Never had another intravascular injection (that became symptomatic) doing a regional block.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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The population comparison is misleading. Kumming and Chiangsa are part of Shanghai–Kunming railway. The trains between these two cities don't stop at either, but connect all the stations on the larger railway. Compare that to flights between Minneapolis and Toronto. The majority of passengers are point to point, as transit passengers from Minneapolis probably take hubs such as Chicago or NYC, not Toronto. There are u…

> Kumming and Chiangsa are part of Shanghai–Kunming railway. The trains between these two cities don't stop at either, but connect all the stations on the larger railway. Which would be the same for a North American rail network. Kunming was Minneapolis in this analogy, trains to Toronto could carry on to Boston or Montreal or New York just as trains to Changsa carry on to Shanghai. > The original assertion is that t…

The OP’s claim is that:

> Maybe we should build more railways. The ground is more stable than the air.

As if this accident could have been avoided if there were trains between Minneapolis and Toronto. I am saying that is wrong, because the passengers on this route wouldn’t take train. High speed trains would help if there is enough demand. There is not. Your examples are for a different market that don’t apply. You didn’t prove otherwise.

Trains are good. I love trains.

> It could be competitive, it could be an option for people who want it

Not for this route.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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No medical condition has higher priority than getting out of a burning plane as fast as possible. You may not survive a day without insulin, but the people behind you might not survive the next few seconds if they can't get out in time because you were fumbling with a bag

I hate your opinion not because leaving one's bag isn't a fair take most of the time but it is underpinned by a the fundamental contempt for the decision making of people who are actually there. It's like when a child gets a math problem right but the shown work makes it clear they're very wrong. You don't know what's in that luggage. Maybe it's hard to source medication. Maybe it's very important legal documents. It…

I get that folks are going to make suboptimal choices in the heat of the moment, and I could see myself similarly making a dumb choice in the rush of an airplane evacuation. I don't think we should judge anyone's character too harshly, but that doesn't keep us from discussing what the actual optimal choices are.

>The plane isn't even full of smoke yet

The plane previously had some pretty impressive flames in the process of landing, and depending one what sort of fire gets going there might not be time for everyone to get out. That being said, insulin isn't actually a valid excuse nor are very important legal documents. Every second counts, and could be the difference between life and death for passengers and crew not yet evacuated. There's a reason that air traffic controllers ask pilots in emergencies for the number of "souls on board" referring to living humans and not important legal documents or medicine.

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