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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by thinking_monkey »

int_19h wrote: post #639
SlavikCA wrote: post #539

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Russia is no more terrorist state, than USA is. That was USA scorched Vietnam. That was USA killing civilians in Iraq and Afganistan. That was USA overthrowing foreign goverments, including Ukrainian... And then it preached to Russia on what to do with neighboring states...

USA did a lot of nasty things. But since WW2, it did not invade other countries with explicit intent to annex them and forcibly assimilate their population.

Simply because that has bad optics. We "invade countries" on a regular basis, just not with tanks and battleships, and not to annex them or take their citizens but to get what we want out of them without having to do those messy things.

I'm 100% for my country but we do pull some shifty shit then scream to the heavens when somebody else does the same thing.

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

pmlnr wrote: post #530
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #503

For years, law enforcement pushed for encryption backdoors, arguing they were necessary to combat crime and terrorism. In the US, after Salt Typhoon compromised telecom networks—including court-authorized wiretap systems—the FBI has now (somewhat reluctantly, I think) started advising government officials to use end-to-end encrypted apps like Signal and WhatsApp to protect themselves . [1] I think the UK government i…

No, the government is always exempt. Citizens shouldn't be allowed e2e, the government, that's ok.

They do seem to think that way sometimes, don't they?

But the counter-argument here is: if the civilian E2E apps had also/already been backdoored, they'd be entirely out of options now.

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Post by fn-mote »

nozzlegear wrote: post #554
reverendsteveii wrote: post #531

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You don't have to have a sound legal theory that will hold up in court. You just have to have a sound bite that you can vomit up when someone says "Wait a minute, isn't that blatantly illegal?"

> You don't have to have a sound legal theory that will hold up in court. What? Why? The natural continuation of "Wait a minute, isn't that blatantly illegal?" is "We're going to sue you to make you stop."

Wasn’t this exact route taken? Government got cases dismissed for lack of standing - plaintiff could not prove they were being spied on… because the government wouldn’t reveal anything.

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Post by toast0 »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #468
cbsks wrote: post #453

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It’s a reference to 1984 by George Orwell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_geography_of_Ninet...

I know. I just dont think it fits particularly well with those cases.

I was pretty sure there was a flipflop in the book too, though. Where the narrator reported now being at war with whomever, and that they had always been at war with that party.

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Post by fdb345 »

tim333 wrote: post #306
Chance-Device wrote: post #210

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This is the way that the UK has passed laws for a while now, make them so broad that they potentially criminalise everyone, then selectively prosecute. This is a very obvious setup for future totalitarianism. I’m surprised that the British public stands for it, but I guess they must not care.

Brit here. Yeah from my experience people don't care. Hardly anyone gets prosecuted and those who do have often done something bad. Most day to day complaints are they don't prosecute enough, often related to the bastard that snatched your phone. We have approximately zero people sitting in jail for failing to decrypt and similar. >This is a very obvious setup for future totalitarianism. No it really isn't. If they a…

Plenty of people have been jailed in the uk for not providing pins or passwords.

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Post by ggm »

Apple have about 50% of the UK handset market. It's 80m terminals so that's 40m x their estimated profit of $500 per phone, so $20b (sure, currency, tax, you name it)

Does Apple lose much, in future revenue if people buy out of the ecology in the UK market? At scale, sure. But then again no. It's a 3.8 trillion dollar company. This is almost noise.

I don't think there will be a rush to the door. Set against overall revenue targets, they can comply and weather the storm.

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Post by throwaway106382 »

f4c39012 wrote: post #354
throwaway106382 wrote: post #330

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lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h513h-rXdQs

instead of dumping tea in the ocean and waging a bloody war they simply have to brick a few million iphones temporarily, it would be a short fight

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #439
cbsks wrote: post #385

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Because the UK is “on our side”. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

I dont think that is actually true in those cases. Relations with China were pretty cosy till they did a 180 around the second Bush administration and started all that Wolf Warrior diplomacy, 9 dotted line stuff, Hongkong crackdowns....... Regarding Russia, nobody really cared at all till it was absolutely impossible to ignore. Putin seems to think that he needs the west as an enemy to bolster his standing and power.…

> Relations with China were pretty cosy till they did a 180 around the second Bush administration and started all that Wolf Warrior diplomacy, 9 dotted line stuff, Hongkong crackdowns.......

No, relations with China were warm right up through the end of the Obama administration and into Trump's first term. That's why the first approach China took to the Biden administration was to hope for straightforward normalization of relations.

China started issuing 10-year visas to Americans under Obama. The Wolf Warrior movies, after which the policy is named, started coming out in 2015.

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