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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by mattmanser »

waynecochran wrote: post #576

I just had it convert Swift code to Kotlin and was surprised at how the comment was translated. It "knew" the author of the paper and what is was doing!? That is wild. Swift: // // Double Reflection Algorithm from Table I (page 7) // in Section 4 of https://tinyurl.com/yft2674p // for i in 1 .. Kotlin: // Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.) to compute subsequent frames. for (i in 1 until N) { val X…

Someone else has written this exact code on the internet, OpenAI stole it, and now chatgpt is regurgitating it. Just like it can regurgitate whole articles.

You need to stop being wow'd by human intelligence masquerading as AI!

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by ben_w »

scarface_74 wrote: post #583
threecheese wrote: post #358

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I haven’t tried o3, but one issue I struggle with in large context analysis tasks is the LLMs are never thorough. In a task like this thread summarization, I typically need to break the document down and loop through chunks to ensure it actually “reads” everything. I might have had to recurse into individual conversations with some small max-depth and leaf count and run inference on each, and then have some aggregati…

Try Google’s NotebookLM

I put one of my own blog posts through NotebookLM soon after it became available, it hallucinated content I didn't write and missed out things I had written.

Nice TTS, but otherwise I found it unimpressive.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by evrenesat »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #610
tmnvdb wrote: post #382

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It is not very good though.

Gemini is pretty good, And it does one thing way better than most other AI models, when I hold down my phone's home button it's available right away

That's a shame on Google, Apple, Samsung, etc. Voice and other activation methods should be open to any app that claims to be an assistant. An ugly way of "gatekeeping".

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by anonzzzies »

brabel wrote: post #677
anonzzzies wrote: post #676

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On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

You need to read the article first to know that. But most people won't.

If the comments say it's worth it I read it, but often (especially on HN) the top comment starts with a summary of errors/inconsistencies in the article and then I don't really feel the need.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by smallerfish »

mattmanser wrote: post #681
waynecochran wrote: post #576

I just had it convert Swift code to Kotlin and was surprised at how the comment was translated. It "knew" the author of the paper and what is was doing!? That is wild. Swift: // // Double Reflection Algorithm from Table I (page 7) // in Section 4 of https://tinyurl.com/yft2674p // for i in 1 .. Kotlin: // Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.) to compute subsequent frames. for (i in 1 until N) { val X…

Someone else has written this exact code on the internet, OpenAI stole it, and now chatgpt is regurgitating it. Just like it can regurgitate whole articles. You need to stop being wow'd by human intelligence masquerading as AI!

Where? Searching for "Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.)" only returns this post.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by BoorishBears »

wkat4242 wrote: post #680
simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

Why use a reasoning model for a summarisation task? Serious question, would it benefit? I don't have much experience with reasoning models yet. That's why.

In theory you could get a better summary if it manages to reason out underlying motivations of a summary for example, or proposes a summary and then "considers" it, realizing it missed something.

You can illicit that with any model by prompting underlying reasons or using chain-of-thought, but a reasoning model could do it without prompting

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by oefnak »

kugelblitz wrote: post #480
nullpoint420 wrote: post #271

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Can't wait for the eventual rename to GPT Core, GPT Plus, GPT Pro, and GPT Pro Max models! I can see it now: > Unlock our industry leading reasoning features by upgrading to the GPT 4 Pro Max plan.

Had the same problem while trying to decide which Roborock device to get. There's the S series, Saros series, Q Series and the Qrevo. And from the Qrevo, there's Qrevo Curv, Edge, Slim, Master, MaxV, Plus, Pro, S and without anything. The S Series had S8, S8+, S8 Pro Ultra, S8 Max Ultra, S8 MaxV Ultra. It was so confusing.

Which one did you pick?

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by theturtle32 »

mediaman wrote: post #406
theturtle32 wrote: post #392

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A reasoning model is not meant for writing poetry. It's not very useful to evaluate it on such tasks.

It's not clear that writing poetry is a bad use case. Reasoning models seem to actually do pretty well with creative writing and poetry. Deepseek's R1, for example, has much better poem structure than the underlying V3, and writers are saying R1 was the first model where they actually felt like it was a useful writing companion. R1 seems to think at length about word choice, correcting structure, pentameter, and so o…

Ok, that makes some sense. I guess I was thinking more about the creative and abstract nature of poetry, the free flowing kind, not so much about rigid structures of meter and rhyme.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by jjallen »

s_dev wrote: post #669
simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

What if this is better? If the summary includes all of the key details and people save time AND read both the article and comments wouldn't that be better?

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by lukan »

darthrupert wrote: post #679
anonzzzies wrote: post #676

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On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

I agree, they are! But reading through them, or even worse, engaging with them, is a serious energy drain. Especially if somebody is being wrong.

Yeah, but is your mission to correct anything wrong on the internet?

https://xkcd.com/386/

Sounds exhausting.

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