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Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by RHSeeger »

Spooky23 wrote: post #623
RHSeeger wrote: post #342

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> Why don’t you identify all these easily found regulations then? That was rude, and didn't at all speak to OP's point. They indicated that not all regulations are equal. Some are important and put into place because people died without them. Others are put into place for less important reasons. And the fact that _some_ regulations were removed doesn't mean that "ones written in blood" necessarily were. There are def…

It’s not rude. Making some inane point contrasting FAA regulations to HR rules is a stupid comparison feeding the nihilist attitude that everything is broken, except for what I think. Air regulations are “written in blood”. Nobody claimed that OPM rules about HR were.

I took it more as a don't throw the baby out with the bath water type comment. Regulations _do_ need to be looked at and decided if they should be kept. Not every regulation was written in blood, and not every regulation is going to get people killed if we get rid of it. Some of them are critical, no doubt. But there's also a lot of them written by people that don't know what they're doing, but feel the need to justify their job.

Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by jillesvangurp »

singleshot_ wrote: post #603
jillesvangurp wrote: post #453

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I watch a lot of pilots on Youtube. Most of them use some kind of audio splitter to record sound. You hear what the pilot hears. But minus the plane noise, vibrations, etc (unless that's mixed in via some open microphone). So, it's actually better. So, it really is that bad. Especially when flying low, on the edge of the range of the radios, etc. VHF radio is ancient technology. It's not great even under ideal condit…

> This is how phones sounded half a century ago. "can you hear me .... are you there ..... can you talk louder ...." No, landlines in 1975 sounded outstanding. I didn’t hear the phrase “can you hear me now” until I got my first oki (1992?)

Local ones yes. International connections were a lot less nice.

Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by cutemonster »

perihelions wrote: post #365
UltraSane wrote: post #335

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Not being allowed to re-enter the program is just insane.

Isn't it a reasonable filter? I'd (naively) assume that all things being equal, a person who passes a test on the first attempt, is more likely to have a higher innate ability than one who doesn't. Is this wrong?

Yes, wrong I think.

People's performance varies from day to day, and if doing the test just once, then some people will pass it because of good luck shape that day, although another day they would have failed.

When constantly predictable high performance is important, it makes sense to do the test on a bunch of different occasions, and look at the overall result (like, lowest, median and average scores). And it'd be ok to do a bit worse on one occasion, as long as you were always above the minimum.

Rather than in effect randomly picking just one test result.

Looking at the results from many tests, reduces false negatives, but also false positives.

(And of course if studying and practice matters, getting to re-take the test some years later: yes of course, but possibly the test should then be a little bit longer.)

Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by gamblor956 »

HideousKojima wrote: post #675
gamblor956 wrote: post #669

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The fact they won the case on procedural grounds is not relevant You're misreading both links. They didn't win the case, it's still going. They won a procedural issue that prevented them from automatically losing the case, and recast not losing as true victory. And the importance of my link was that it proves my point not yours: that the plaintiffs were not actually affected by the alleged FAA diversity hiring practi…

>Everybody railing against the assessment fundamentally misunderstood the test. There are no DEI questions. The issue is the correct answers were intentionally leaked to a black ATC union

The "correct" answers on a biographical test are to claim to have more experience than your really do.

In other words... fraud. If you get caught you lose the job and spend some free time in a cell.

You're really stretching to turn this into a scandal. Nobody complained that the answers to the previous test had been leaked.

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Post by sfn42 »

sfn42 wrote: post #394
ovi256 wrote: post #303

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A coup by whom against whom ?

I was referring to the 6th of January 2021 event where a large gathering of Trump followers stormed the capitol. From my understanding that would be by Trump and his followers, against the rest of the United States population/democracy/whatever you prefer.

I'm noticing quite a few down votes on this. You should know I based this on Wikipedia, it's pretty much just facts. So if you find yourself reading this and not enjoying the facts, maybe you should reconsider your support for that orange clown.

Blows my mind that anyone would vote for him, any time I see a clip of him I can physically feel my IQ dropping. I can't imagine a more obvious moron, it's so clear from listening to him talk that he has no idea what he's talking about half the time and the other half he's lying.

It baffles me that anyone would vote for him.

Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by TylerE »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #51
wyldfire wrote: post #44

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In the video from the webcam there's another plane which is much easier to see. Could they have asked about "the aircraft" and the helicopter pilot mistook which one they referred to? "yes I can see the plane flying much higher"

It's possible but generally there's implied context to ATC. ATC would only instruct you to watch out for possible vector interceptions. flying over an approach path, the context would be that you would look for aircraft on approach, not ones in holding or other patterns above. That said, it's possible they mistook which aircraft to look for, but it's unlikely imho and we will likely never know for sure, as I would pr…

There was a second American Airlirns flight only a couple miles and a thousand feet higher in altitude in the same approach course. You can actually see it in the video that’s circulating.

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Post by 7952 »

junaru wrote: post #321
teractiveodular wrote: post #240

To put this in perspective, this is the first fatal crash of a US commercial airliner in 16 years (Colgan Air Flight 3407 on February 12, 2009) and the first fatal commercial airliner crash in the United States in 12 years (since Asiana Airlines Flight 214 on July 6, 2013). We like to throw shade at Boeing, the FAA etc, but this is still an incredible accomplishment, especially given the explosive growth of traffic o…

Why is this being framed as airliners fault to begin with. When a fishingboat gets rammed by an cruise ship it's not "cruise ship collides with fishingboat", its the reverse. One is a big civilian aircraft thats being tracked and has no way of making sharp course adjustments the other is a 'VIP' with potentially ADS-B off. Heads should fly at whatever military branch the hellicopter was operated at... but they wont.

Although in terms of risk it is better framed as big ship vs big ship. Because if they touch they are both going down. And both will be constrained in how far they can realistically detect and avoid the other. That is a fact with flying visually and that is why you have instrument flight rules and atc based separation. I know nothing about this location but theoretically ATC could take active steps to avoid conflict. They could change the arrival sequence to allow crossings. Send the arrivals around if need be. The crossing could take place above the airfield or further away to provide more vertical separation. .

Re: Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport

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Post by chgs »

throw0101c wrote: post #478
insane_dreamer wrote: post #144

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> The reformed federal workforce will be built around four pillars: […] > 4. Enhanced standards of conduct: The federal workforce should be comprised of employees who are reliable, loyal, trustworthy, and who strive for excellence in their daily work. Employees will be subject to enhanced standards of suitability and conduct as we move forward. Employees who engage in unlawful behavior or other misconduct will be pri…

> Employees who engage in unlawful behavior

Convicted felon, that sort of thing?

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Post by chgs »

throw0101d wrote: post #310
femto wrote: post #213

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The Westminster tradition is for the public service to give "frank and fearless advice" [1] in the interests of the nation. It's still democratic, as a minister can choose to ignore this advice, at their own peril, and issue orders. As hinted at by their name, a public servant's first loyalty should to the public/nation rather than their Minister/Master. Maybe the US has a different system? Of course the above is the…

> As hinted at by their name, a public servant's first loyalty should to the public/nation rather than their Minister/Master. Maybe the US has a different system? Both systems rely on the people in charge being told okay with being told "no, this is a bad idea". The Ministers/Secretaries/Executive may think their plan(s) are a good idea and the civil service are being obstructionist. (Of course the civil service coul…

The U.K. had a documentary in the 80s about civil servants handling ministers, for better and worse.

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Post by chgs »

michaelt wrote: post #392
ghaff wrote: post #348

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A lot of people here like to go on about security. I agree there's a certain amount of theater, and I try to avoid really peak times, but with pre-check I do tend to arrive early because I don't want stress but, as you say, it's rarely more than a few minute wait and I pretty much toss my bag on the carousel and walk through the metal detector. It's really not a big deal if you're prepared.

Your airport sounds a lot better than the ones near me! In my area they all want you to arrive 2-3 hours before your flight, without any water, then to shuffle through security without your belt and shoes.

2-3 hours means you get 1-2 hours spending airside.
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